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"Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by casenmgreen »

somenameforme wrote: post #62
casenmgreen wrote: post #54

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I enjoy discussing politics, but flagged this because the title is so absurdly far beyond sensationalized and links to a friggin Reddit post which then amps the hyperbole up even further. It's not going to be conducive to interesting or informative discussion for anybody, and seems mostly intended to mislead.

Donald has direct control of entire Federal Gov, controls their budgets, has installed his men in every agency, and will now decide interpretation of law.

Congress and Senate both wholly passive (subverted, I would say).

That leaves the States and the courts. I think the courts will go next.

Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by blooalien »

userbinator wrote: post #55
casenmgreen wrote: post #54

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This is sadly one of the last few places online where rational discussion of the topic by at least some mostly smart people is at all likely to happen. It's also one of the last few places where discussion will get pretty instantly shut down if it devolves into chaos, so let's all at least try our level best to keep those discussions either productive or interesting.

Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by redcobra762 »

crooked-v wrote: post #80
jl6 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is not what the EO says. You’ve been misled by a Reddit post.

It seems extremely straightforward to me. > The President and the Attorney General, subject to the President’s supervision and control, shall provide authoritative interpretations of law for the executive branch. "The executive branch" includes the DoJ and the United States Marshals Service, who do all the actual boots-on-the-ground work for the judiciary. This is an obvious lead in to "the President's interpretation…

This EO has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the courts or their interpretation of the law.

This is entirely focused on aligning the executive branch, that’s it. This is the kind of confusion that comes with trusting a Reddit post instead of getting your news from a reputable source.

Here, read this before going any further: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/18/trump-order-power-i...

It’s bad because it’s an attempt at removing independence from certain independent organizations such as the SEC and the Federal Reserve, but it is not about claiming all legal authority rests with the executive. It will fail as an EO because the executive can’t violate the law, which has set out the independent nature of these organizations.

Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by defrost »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #65
jiggawatts wrote: post #53

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It's the equivalent of the cops pulling you over and using a slightly dim tail light to search your entire car, make you get out, spread your legs, and get a pat-down. Every large government department in every country in the world has some waste. All of them. All of the time. This is why it's so disingenuous for Trump/Musk supporters to point at tiny bits of waste or whatever and scream "See! See! We found it! They…

Elon Musk's people have been remarkably bad at finding real examples of waste. Their hit rate is extremely low - almost everything they publicize turns out to be wrong. You'd think they'd be able to scour the Federal budget and find a few real examples of waste to crow about, but instead they give us things like: $50 million in condoms sent to Gaza so that Hamas can make bombs??? And of course, that instantly turned…

If you want some referenced substance with that:

DOGE Claimed It Saved $8 Billion in One Contract. It Was Actually $8 Million

The biggest single line item on the website of Elon Musk’s cost-cutting team appears to include an error.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/18/upshot/doge-contracts-mus...

All the same, try not being distracted by the smoke and noise of the circus, it's all just a massive dead cat on the table to distract while other quieter changes are made.

Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by fransje26 »

Jean-Papoulos wrote: post #51

Direct link to the order : https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/ensu... In short, Trump is claiming full and direct authority and control over any and all federal agencies, with the express directive of "The President and the Attorney General, subject to the President’s supervision and control, shall provide authoritative interpretations of law for the executive branch. " Basically : L'État, c'est…

> Section 1. Policy and Purpose. [..] Since it would be impossible for the President to single-handedly perform all the executive business of the Federal Government [..]

Yup. You gotta have some time left to golf with your cronies..

Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by latexr »

defrost wrote: post #75
casenmgreen wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There comes a point where it has to be faced, because to hide it is to lose everything.

That point comes to HN at least once an hour since the start of 2025. For a site primarily intended to be about computer tech, the funding and business of tech startups, with explicit guidelines suggesting to reject US politics there are still large numbers of active threads on US politics, DOGE, Musk, et al daily . .. and that's after 9x decimation. So, throttled back to allow room for other submissions is largely w…

In fairness, the US tech industry made it extremely hard to discuss them without discussing politics too, since they’re getting themselves more and more involved in policy.

Re: "Ensuring Accountability for All Agencies" – Executive Order

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Post by casenmgreen »

scarab92 wrote: post #84
casenmgreen wrote: post #47

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I think everything has to be voluntary and well-informed, except in self-defence.

I may be wrong, but I think in the US enough voters have been deceived by Donald that they were not well-informed, and so elections are no longer valid.

By this, he is in power, and Congress and Senate have been subverted.

I also see Donald looking to have complete and untrammeled control, and this is one more act in that direction.

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