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Deepseek R1 Distill 8B Q40 on 4 x Raspberry Pi 5

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Re: Deepseek R1 Distill 8B Q40 on 4 x Raspberry Pi 5

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This continues the pattern of all other announcements of running 'Deepseek R1' on raspberry pi - that they are running llama (or qwen), modified by deepseek's distillation technique.

Meanwhile on /r/localllama, people are running the full R1 on CPU with NVMe drives in lieu of VRAM.

Re: Deepseek R1 Distill 8B Q40 on 4 x Raspberry Pi 5

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And DeepSeek itself is (allegedly) a distillation of OpenAI models.

Never heard that claim before, only that a certain subset of re-enforced learning may have used ChatGPT to grade responses. Is there more detail about it being allegedly a distilled OpenAI model?

He didn't say it's a distilled OpenAI model. He said it's a distillation of an OpenAI model. They are not at all the same thing.

Re: Deepseek R1 Distill 8B Q40 on 4 x Raspberry Pi 5

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And DeepSeek itself is (allegedly) a distillation of OpenAI models.

Never heard that claim before, only that a certain subset of re-enforced learning may have used ChatGPT to grade responses. Is there more detail about it being allegedly a distilled OpenAI model?

There were only ever vague allegations from Sam Altman, and they’ve been pretty quiet about it since.

Re: Deepseek R1 Distill 8B Q40 on 4 x Raspberry Pi 5

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You can buy it but you can't run it, unless you're fairly wealthy. In my country (italy) a basic colocation service is like 80 euros/month + vat, and that only includes 100Wh of power and a 100mbps connection. +100wh/month upgrades are like +100 euros. I looked up the kind of servers and cpus you're talking about and the cpu alone can pull something like 180W/h, without accounting for fans, disks and other stuff (stu…

Interesting, I run a small cluster of 4 mini pcs (22 cores total). I think it should be comparable to the aforementioned EPYC. Power load is a rounding error compared to appliances like electric iron at 1700W, etc. The impact on electrical bill is minimal as well. Idle power draw is about 5W per server, which translates to ~80 cents a month. Frankly my monitor uses more power on average than the rest of the homelab.

I'm pretty sure if you run a compute benchmark like Streams or hpgmg, the Epyc server will eat your mini pcs for breakfast.

Re: Deepseek R1 Distill 8B Q40 on 4 x Raspberry Pi 5

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Really there needs to be a product based off of LLMs similar to Alexa or Google home where instead of connecting to the cloud it’s a locally run LLM. I don’t know why one doesn’t exist yet or why no one is working on this

> locally run LLM

You mean like Ollama + llamacpp ?

Re: Deepseek R1 Distill 8B Q40 on 4 x Raspberry Pi 5

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This continues the pattern of all other announcements of running 'Deepseek R1' on raspberry pi - that they are running llama (or qwen), modified by deepseek's distillation technique.

Specifically, I've seen that a common failure mode of the distilled Deepseek models is that they don't know when they're going in circles. Deepseek incentivizes the distilled LLM to interrupt itself with "Wait." which incentivizes a certain degree of reasoning, but it's far less powerful than the reasoning of the full model, and can get into cycles of saying "Wait." ad infinitum, effectively second-guessing itself on conclusions it's already made rather than finding new nuance.

Re: Deepseek R1 Distill 8B Q40 on 4 x Raspberry Pi 5

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Can you explain to a non ML software engineer what these distillation methods mean? What does it mean to have R1 train a Llama model? What is special about DeepSeek’s distillation methods? Thanks!

Its llama/quen with some additional training to add reasoning. In a similar way deep seeks v3 was trained into r1. It also looks to me like there was some Chinese propaganda trained into llama/quen too, but that’s just my observation.

You have my curiosity. Like what and how did you find it?

Re: Deepseek R1 Distill 8B Q40 on 4 x Raspberry Pi 5

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This continues the pattern of all other announcements of running 'Deepseek R1' on raspberry pi - that they are running llama (or qwen), modified by deepseek's distillation technique.

Yes this is just a fine-tuned LLaMa with DeepSeek-like "chain of thought" generation. A properly 'distilled' model is supposed to be trained from scratch to completely mimick the larger model it's being derived from - which is not what's going on here.

I tried the smaller 'Deepseek' models, and to be honest, in my tests, the quality wasn't much different from simply adding a CoT prompt to a vanilla model.
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