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The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view
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#82Oh wow, both users must be ecstatic./s
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DoD is soon getting its Enemy of the State wish fulfilled with pervasive targeted imaging from VLEO. Projecting that realtime imagery in 3D would be icing on the cake.
DoD won't do it with any of these consumer headsets, though, because you can't get anything wireless approved for use in a SCIF. And no, they won't even consider doing anything outside of the SCIF. VR/AR for DoD is a dead end, unless you have a deep personal relationship with some random Air Force Colonel who is willing to personally walk all your work through all the paperwork on the promise of a board seat when he…
What about Microsoft's AR goggles for soldiers? DoD has been investing in that for years and through multiple iterations; iirc it's been fielded for tests and is moving steadily toward production. I saw a headline that someone else was buying it from Microsoft for billions of dollars, so it seems to be worth something.
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DoD won't do it with any of these consumer headsets, though, because you can't get anything wireless approved for use in a SCIF. And no, they won't even consider doing anything outside of the SCIF. VR/AR for DoD is a dead end, unless you have a deep personal relationship with some random Air Force Colonel who is willing to personally walk all your work through all the paperwork on the promise of a board seat when he…
What about Microsoft's AR goggles for soldiers? DoD has been investing in that for years and through multiple iterations; iirc it's been fielded for tests and is moving steadily toward production. I saw a headline that someone else was buying it from Microsoft for billions of dollars, so it seems to be worth something.
Excellent example of neo-IBM syndrome. Soldiers have complained about IVAS being too heavy and making them sick. But nobody ever got fired for buying Microsoft. It's been going for years and, honestly, anyone honest with experience with Hololens predicted its demise on day one.
Anduril is the company buying IVAS. Founded by Palmer Luckey, who also founded Oculus. Unfortunately, he was never really the technical brains behind Oculus, more "the kid with hubris who got caught up in the ride." Anduril itself seems to be doing well, and I'm even considering applying, but I'm still on the fence about whether them buying IVAS is a good signal.
Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view
#85I prefer Australia Open approach. I mean I don't need to have thousands dollar device to get the fun of it.
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I am struggling to come up with some mainstream uses for this. Sports, concerts, plays, etc are something that could theoretically be used on a recurring basis to entice the public. My only nerd imaginations are something like a WH40k game. Watch a MOBA in 3D. Fortnite. Maybe a few historical events? This was the moon landing configuration. The view from the grassy knoll to Kennedy.
Improbable tried baseball.[1] They have some kind of deal with the Major League Baseball company. Improbable's metaverse is so expensive to operate that they can't run it 24/7, so they only rent servers for pay per view special events. American football would make more sense as something to view in VR. The action is complicated to follow. [1] https://www.improbable.io/news/improbable-builds-major-leagu...
The MLB VR app[1] is pretty neat. You can sit behind home plate with a virtual strike zone, track balls, launch trajectory, height, a bunch of stats as you watch the game play out in real time. Including live games.
A lot of the negative reviews are people confused it's not a game, it's to watch baseball games.
I can't say I'd watch a ton of games on it but I watched some playoff games on it.
Only complaint is that the players are just little cards running around the field. MLB has very good 3D tracking[2] of players on the field, if you could see a somewhat realistic model of players on the field that would be pretty amazing.
If they iterated on the concept I could see more people adopting it.
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Stadiums/arenas are using more and more cameras through out that some very cool/interesting things are coming from it. One of them is a Matrix bullet-time style ability for highlighting plays. The MLB places ads for the TV audience that the people in the stadium do not see. Same for the boards around a football pitch. There's other tech going on specifically for sports analytics using 8K cameras that analyzes each pl…
30-60 cameras and expert producers with years of experience broadcasting live NBA games. The NBA will NEVER upgrade their nation-wide broadcast kit, billions of dollars, for about 100K strap-on facial PC users. It's just not gonna happen.
it wouldn't need to be 30-60 cameras. so if you want to have a serious discussion, let's put down the ridiculous comments about something you clearly have no experience with.
from the demo, it's a stationary seat for a VR user. so in the VR experience, everyone will be sitting in that exact same seat. for 3D, you only need 2 lenses. for 3D VR in a 360° experience you need more, but much fewer cameras than 30-60. the best VR 3D i've worked with came from 16 cameras and a helluva lot of optical flow processing in post, but that was only on a cylinder and not a sphere. it did allow you to look 360°, and this demo doesn't need any of that. so yet again, your looking at less lenses than that. if you want to give a few degrees play in leaning left/right, you might need 4 lenses to allow for some parallax in that leaning. however, the demo clearly showed an unobstructed view of the "court" with nobody in the crowd obstructing your view. at that distant, there'd be very little parallax of the players on the court and the biggest notice would be from something in the foreground. yet, as previously stated, they've already shown that's not an issue.
as for the NBA never upgrading, you're saying that to someone that has personally worked on VR content for NBA finals. you can even see some of the camera rigs in the footage of the games. so in a sense, the NBA has already embraced VR which I guess means never has already come and gone
as for expert producers, if you've ever worked in live action VR, everyone that works in it promotes themselves (personally or as company) as experts. i started in 2014, so that's about 10 years of experience. i'm not an arrogant asshole, so i'd never call myself an expert, but i've got enough experience to qualify.
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#88Cool.
How many people are going to use it? How much money is this going to make?
I'm not putting my bets on NBA or Apple for this thing.
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Ok, it's totally technically feasible today, but the return is not there given the lack of viewership. If you can expand a little on the 30-60 cameras so I can understand better, is that to stitch together the various views when a AVP user moves their head? Or were you using that number to represent the number of viewpoints on the floor? Like if it was only one view at the scorer's table, do I understand you would ne…
The NBA uses 30-60 cameras to give you a truly immersive view with all of the angles in high definition. This "VR" app uses one view and a bunch of shitty animation. If the NBA was going to truly embrace the Vision Pro, they'd need to replace most of all of their stadium rigs with new gear that could feed both the live TV broadcast and the server farm crunching it for VR. Not doing so means fewer high quality angles…
You mention the 2D broadcast. Maybe my expectations are too low, but as a step in the direction of a more immersive experience, I'd love to be able to watch an NBA game, even in 2D, where the perspective is courtside and the players are "life size" based on where I'm "seated" (so obviously adjusting size based on the perspective of the camera as players come closer and move farther away just like if you were there in person). And in case I'm not being clear I mean just a stream of the game itself, not using some derivative of the game as I understand this tabletop view (which seems really dumb actually, but not sure I get it).
You sound like you know a lot about the NBA in particular so you probably know this, but the NBA has been giving that courtside perspective periodically during games on the broadcast. Being able to watch a full game that way or at least toggle between that and the broadcast at will would be great. The very few times I've sat up close at an NBA game have been mind-bogglingly better, particularly when you can feel the size and speed of the players. Maybe this VR-light 2D view I'm talking about wouldn't simulate that very well, but I think it would do a pretty good job and could be done with one extra view (still hear you that even one view courtside would require multiple cameras and is not worth the investment, but I feel like it would be sensible to offer that as a step to something even more immersive).