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Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10

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Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10

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I've been using Windows 11 without much complaint since its release, but off the top of my head, I can't name a single "feature" that would motivate me to upgrade if I were on Windows 10, besides "continued support."

The big feature I miss was taken away in Fall Creator's Update --- styluses working as styluses and selecting text, as opposed to being dumbed-down to an 11th touch input.

https://github.com/TheJoeFin/Windows10-Community/issues/17

Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10

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Wine wasn't seen as a threat as SteamOS can be against Windows/XBox handhelds. Think of how Microsoft quickly killed the Linux based netbooks, when they really started paying attention, then the new tablets market did the rest.

That's fair, I guess I thought you meant suing out of existence. It's tough to say. Annoying Linux people like me tend to have horse-blinders on towards the rest of the world (hence the constant meme of the "Year of the Linux Desktop"), so it's tough for me to speculate with any kind of objectivity. That said, Steam Decks seem to be selling pretty well, and people don't seem to mind the SteamOS part of it. I think th…

So far, they are targeting Windows and let Valve do the needful, instead of actually targeting SteamOS.

Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10

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My Windows 10 install doesn't do that either, although I have no idea why it gave up (AFAIK there's no reason why it wouldn't be compatible).

That happened to some of my windows 10 installs too. People complained about getting nagged and I thought they were being dramatic. Then windows decided it was my turn to be nagged and OH MAN I understood ... I have no good answer for exactly how that situation plays out. I swear it's not a local device setting.

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Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10

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It doesn’t nag you incessantly to upgrade to Windows 11

My Windows 10 install doesn't do that either, although I have no idea why it gave up (AFAIK there's no reason why it wouldn't be compatible).

That happened to me as well. I get told in the windows update dialog thing to check if I am windows 11 compatible, which I pass but I still don't get Windows 11 offered.

Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10

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Why should we wait for SteamOS? I’m using Pop_OS! on my gaming machine and can play all new games with the Steam compatibility mode. Baldur’s Gate 3 and Kingdom Come: Deliverance II work perfectly fine. I was quite surprised that there are no problems at all and happy that I can go Windows free now

The number of times I've seen people waiting for SteamOS makes me kind of excited that there's so much demand for an alternative to Windows, nervous that a SteamOS general release isn't going to live up to expectations and frustration that that "demand" isn't moving to other distros of its own accord or otherwise being captured by someone savvy.

I think overall it means that "people", even if they have a more positive view of Linux than they did 10 years ago are still lacking the confidence and know-how to be able to make an actual switch.

There are reasons, sure, but there's absolutely a pool of people right now who would be suitable for Linux and appreciate the switch but there just isn't enough activation energy there to get them over the line.

Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10

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Think how Linux netbooks was dealt with, and XBox wanting a piece of handhelds market.

How were Linux netbooks dealt with?

Microsoft was forced to keep selling XP (Cut down 'Starter' edition was introduced for this IIRC) because Windows Vista was so bloated it was completely unusable on netbooks which is why they started using linux in the first place.

Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10

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Think how Linux netbooks was dealt with, and XBox wanting a piece of handhelds market.

How were Linux netbooks dealt with?

Microsoft made Windows XP free for any OEM that wanted to use it for netbooks, no license at all, and also made some changes to improve its use on limited devices.

That coupled with the usual non-technical resistance to anything that is unfamiliar, meant that in about two years time, all those custom distros for netbooks were for all practical purposes gone from the market.

All netbooks on shopping malls were using Windows XP, netbook edition.

Nowadays it hardly matters, because the netboook market audience nowadays rather use Android and iPadOS.

Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10

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I've been using Windows 11 without much complaint since its release, but off the top of my head, I can't name a single "feature" that would motivate me to upgrade if I were on Windows 10, besides "continued support."

I'm predominantly a Ubuntu / Mac user (roughly 60/40). My Windows machine has seen an uptick in use over the last months for development purposes, but it's still stuck on Windows 10. I don't think I need or want to upgrade it. Two questions: - Do I need to upgrade it? - How do I get comfortable with Windows shell? PowerShell doesn't do Unixisms. There are too many shells. Command Prompt / CMD, PowerShell, there's som…

Windows 10 will go EOL in October, so you should probably try to upgrade sometime before next year.

The first rule of PowerShell is to install the "real" PowerShell [1] instead of using the one bundled with Windows (which is out of date and importantly doesn't interoperate as well with non-PowerShell commands). I still don't like it, it's way too different from UNIX shells, but at least it's usable.

CMD hasn't gotten any improvements since like 1995 but it isn't going anywhere either. If you need something vaguely like a UNIX shell and that's always available, it's not a bad choice.

WSL2 is fine if you work mostly within its environment, which is made easier by things like VSCode's Remote extension. However, accessing Windows files from within WSL2 is surprisingly slow, so you really want to commit to it if you start using it.

I'm doing Rust on Windows too and apart from installing the MSVC tools and a compatible version of libclang, and occasionally figuring out how to write PowerShell, it's not been too much trouble. WinGet is pretty good and the library has quite a large selection of development tools.

[1]: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/scripting/insta...

Re: Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10

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How were Linux netbooks dealt with?

Microsoft was forced to keep selling XP (Cut down 'Starter' edition was introduced for this IIRC) because Windows Vista was so bloated it was completely unusable on netbooks which is why they started using linux in the first place.

On Vista side, lets also blame greedy OEMs selling underpowered laptops as "Vista Ready".
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