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Re: Federal data is disappearing. On Thursday, meet the teams working to rescue it

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Post by harimau777 »

zo1 wrote: post #35
actionfromafar wrote: post #2

So, are the feds saving money on hosting costs?! What's the point of this.

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I think that some of the issue may be your framing. Even if Trump is just enforcing his executive orders, it is possible that the orders themselves are anti-democratic.

If Trump's executive orders were simply changes in policy then they might still be bad but they wouldn't necessarily be a threat to democracy. The issue arises in that his executive orders go beyond that to attempt to attack worldviews that he doesn't like. "Gender non-conforming people cannot use a given bathroom" is a policy. "There are only two genders" is a worldview. Even though I disagree with both of them, the second is a much more anti-democratic.

Re: Federal data is disappearing. On Thursday, meet the teams working to rescue it

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Post by soupbowl »

snakeyjake wrote: post #62
enaaem wrote: post #53

What do Trump supporters here think of this?

There are two types of Trump supporters. One type thinks that the data being disappeared is "trans DEI libtard lies". The other type believes that the federal government should collect no data because it is stealing a Job Creator's god-given right to act as a middleman in all aspects of human culture and charge money for access to that data (because that's, somehow, more efficient).

Nice! Now do Biden/Harris supporters.

Re: Federal data is disappearing. On Thursday, meet the teams working to rescue it

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Post by snakeyjake »

soupbowl wrote: post #82
snakeyjake wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are two types of Trump supporters. One type thinks that the data being disappeared is "trans DEI libtard lies". The other type believes that the federal government should collect no data because it is stealing a Job Creator's god-given right to act as a middleman in all aspects of human culture and charge money for access to that data (because that's, somehow, more efficient).

Nice! Now do Biden/Harris supporters.

No.

Every time someone says or implies "bOtH sIdEs" a hungry child gets kicked out of a free and reduced school lunch program and called a parasite.

Re: Federal data is disappearing. On Thursday, meet the teams working to rescue it

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Post by n4r9 »

ocuild wrote: post #78
n4r9 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There’s lots of disqualifying psychiatric and personality conditions Looking at your link, I can see how the conditions specified there would make someone less effective as a soldier. I can't say the same for gender dysphoria.

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Back in the 60s homosexuals were insisting that their sexuality was legitimate and demanding that everyone else accommodate this belief. Many at the time viewed it as a false belief contrary to biological law. That was wrong then, and this is wrong now.

Re: Federal data is disappearing. On Thursday, meet the teams working to rescue it

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Post by Rhapso »

soupbowl wrote: post #82
snakeyjake wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are two types of Trump supporters. One type thinks that the data being disappeared is "trans DEI libtard lies". The other type believes that the federal government should collect no data because it is stealing a Job Creator's god-given right to act as a middleman in all aspects of human culture and charge money for access to that data (because that's, somehow, more efficient).

Nice! Now do Biden/Harris supporters.

Sure, most Biden/Harris supporters are ultimately "centrists", like most trump supporters. They spend their life struggling to juggle costs of living and responsibilities of adulthood. They participate in a society that demands they use all of their energy physical and cognitive to just survive and they reasonably outsource their judgement regarding larger scale policies and politics to trusted leaders of their community. They then believe and do what those leaders tell them.

The other type of Biden/Harris supporter has the privilege of time and energy to spend examining the situation critically and recognizes them as just supporting further corporate control behind the guise of bureaucracy instead of "strong men". But they vote/evangalize for them anyway because at least they don't actively advocate for harming people out of spite.

Re: Federal data is disappearing. On Thursday, meet the teams working to rescue it

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Post by [deleted] »

somenameforme wrote: post #80
enaaem wrote: post #53

What do Trump supporters here think of this?

I don't think there as many "Trump supporters" as one might think. His plan to defacto take ownership of Gaza or to relocate Gazans is overwhelmingly negatively received. So that's pretty clear that people are forming views based on actions, rather than a cult of personality or party. And on that, I do support these actions - but in both directions oddly. From an earlier post in this thread somebody linked to some ex…

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Re: Federal data is disappearing. On Thursday, meet the teams working to rescue it

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Post by mandeepj »

diggan wrote: post #34
misja111 wrote: post #33

Does anybody have an example of federal data that has disappeared already? I'm interested what kind of data it's about.

Examples: > At the Department of Justice, a database detailing the vast array of criminal charges and successful convictions of January 6 rioters was removed, according to a report from Donie O’Sullivan and Katelyn Polantz at CNN > Several pages on the Center for Disease Control have also been removed, including information on LGBTQ+ rights, HIV and adolescent health, reports Will Stone and Selena Simmons-Duffin from…

> Several pages on the Center for Disease Control have also been removed, including information on LGBTQ+ rights, HIV and adolescent health, reports Will Stone and Selena Simmons-Duffin from NPR

A federal judge has already ordered to restore that data

https://fedscoop.com/federal-judge-orders-hhs-cdc-fda-to-res...

Re: Federal data is disappearing. On Thursday, meet the teams working to rescue it

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Post by computerthings »

bloomingkales wrote: post #75
computerthings wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's inherent. https://archive.org/details/TheOriginsOfTotalitarianism/ > The struggle for total domination of the total population of the earth, the elimination of every competing nontotalitarian reality, is inherent in the totalitarian regimes themselves; if they do not pursue global rule as their ultimate goal, they are only too likely to lose whatever power they have already seized. Even a single individual can b…

Thank you for that. You quoted the author of the phrase “Banality of Evil”: Arendt's book introduced the expression and concept of the banality of evil.[15] Her thesis is that Eichmann was actually not a fanatic or a sociopath, but instead an average and mundane person who relied on clichéd defenses rather than thinking for himself,[16] was motivated by professional promotion rather than ideology, and believed in suc…

I wanted to quote much less, but it proved difficult, since wanted preserve some kind of "self-containment" of the point. It always feels wrong to take one of the many "quotable bits" from her books, because thinking one knows what there is to know is treacherous, doubly so with this subject. The whole book is very much worth reading, now more than ever.

For those for whom audio is better I can recommend this (apart from audio versions of books of course), lots of very interesting discussions of some of her books: https://www.youtube.com/@hannaharendtcenterforpolit8364/play...

Re: Federal data is disappearing. On Thursday, meet the teams working to rescue it

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Post by giraffe_lady »

somenameforme wrote: post #80
enaaem wrote: post #53

What do Trump supporters here think of this?

I don't think there as many "Trump supporters" as one might think. His plan to defacto take ownership of Gaza or to relocate Gazans is overwhelmingly negatively received. So that's pretty clear that people are forming views based on actions, rather than a cult of personality or party. And on that, I do support these actions - but in both directions oddly. From an earlier post in this thread somebody linked to some ex…

So to focus on the main question of what trump supporters think about this stuff: it's pretty much what you wanted and you're happy with it.

Re: Federal data is disappearing. On Thursday, meet the teams working to rescue it

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Post by bloomingkales »

computerthings wrote: post #88
bloomingkales wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for that. You quoted the author of the phrase “Banality of Evil”: Arendt's book introduced the expression and concept of the banality of evil.[15] Her thesis is that Eichmann was actually not a fanatic or a sociopath, but instead an average and mundane person who relied on clichéd defenses rather than thinking for himself,[16] was motivated by professional promotion rather than ideology, and believed in suc…

I wanted to quote much less, but it proved difficult, since wanted preserve some kind of "self-containment" of the point. It always feels wrong to take one of the many "quotable bits" from her books, because thinking one knows what there is to know is treacherous, doubly so with this subject. The whole book is very much worth reading, now more than ever. For those for whom audio is better I can recommend this (apart…

Caution heeded. Definitely will check it out.
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