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Re: No Longer Posting to Pinboard

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It's worth taking a step back to consider why we have separate categories for male and female sporting competitions, which is: the significant physical advantage that male development confers on an individual. If sports were mixed-sex, males would dominate almost every competition. So we have women's and girls' sports separate from males, to recognize and celebrate female athletic excellence. With that in mind, it sh…

This argument devolves to "we can't let women compete until we dissect them". At what point in a woman's competitive career do we decide that she's sufficiently talented that we have to examine her body and approve of her gender expression? Is it reserved for Olympic athletes? Or do talented college women need approval? Skilled high school students? A surprisingly good tee ball player? Down this path lies madness. Yo…

Athletes competing on an elite level should certainly have their sex verified. In almost all cases this will be less intrusive than the anti-doping tests they're required to do; a simple cheek swab is sufficient for screening via karyotype analysis. And the blood samples already taken for drug testing can be used to measure testosterone levels for this purpose.

Only if there is an anomaly might further investigation be done, with the athlete's permission. No dissection is needed - at most some imaging to determine internal anatomy may be done by medical experts.

This is already the policy adopted by some sporting bodies, and was essentially the process used with the athletes I mentioned in my earlier comments to observe that the sex of each is male.

Ideally this would be done as early on in an athlete's career as is practical. It only needs to be done once, as a person's sex cannot change, and for most will be a straightforward confirmation of what is already known. Otherwise, it's better for the athlete too, to know sooner rather than later if there has been any anomalous development.

I would suggest you examine the public information on the aforementioned male athletes more closely. In particular, 5-ARD is an indisputably male condition; the mutations in the SRD5A2 gene that cause this have no effect on female sexual development. This is fact, not opinion.

Re: No Longer Posting to Pinboard

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There's still that: https://schwarztech.net/snippets/oh-look-misplaced-transphob...

This is someone accusing me of transphobia in a situation where no one involved is trans, and no claims are being made about trans people. Which strikes me as extremely ageist.

This is clearly accusing a woman (Khelif) of being a male and only pretending to be female. And even if you pretend it isn't about her (just a poor timing, right?), what does "male competitors in women’s sports" designates if not trans people? After all, which "males" are allowed to compete in women's sports, Maciej, if not transgenders?

This is very disingenuous, and you seem to think you can bullshit people.

(Don't know where the "age"ist is doing there?)

Re: No Longer Posting to Pinboard

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This is someone accusing me of transphobia in a situation where no one involved is trans, and no claims are being made about trans people. Which strikes me as extremely ageist.

This is clearly accusing a woman (Khelif) of being a male and only pretending to be female. And even if you pretend it isn't about her (just a poor timing, right?), what does "male competitors in women’s sports" designates if not trans people? After all, which "males" are allowed to compete in women's sports, Maciej, if not transgenders? This is very disingenuous, and you seem to think you can bullshit people. (Don't…

The available evidence shows that Khelif is indeed a male.

See this thread for further detail: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43025035

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This is clearly accusing a woman (Khelif) of being a male and only pretending to be female. And even if you pretend it isn't about her (just a poor timing, right?), what does "male competitors in women’s sports" designates if not trans people? After all, which "males" are allowed to compete in women's sports, Maciej, if not transgenders? This is very disingenuous, and you seem to think you can bullshit people. (Don't…

The available evidence shows that Khelif is indeed a male. See this thread for further detail: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43025035

This is a ridiculous post: >In fact every medal winner in the women's 800m at the 2016 Olympics was male.

were "male" is redefined as "the 46,XY karyotype".

What's next, are we going to screen all basketball players for genes that makes one too tall?

But congratulations on Algeria, apparently a "woke" country were it is easy for men to pass as women for decades.

Re: No Longer Posting to Pinboard

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Not sure if I understand where the complaint is coming from. Sounds like he was simply reminding everyone that you have to take one opinion or another. The term for those people who want to prohibit dissent is “fascist”. Feel free to break it down for me though if you want since I can’t understand the issue, maybe it’s my learning disability.

I have always been ruthless about not following high-volume posters on Twitter, because I can’t consume that much content and I’m generally after high signal links and/or contact with people I know irl. So, I don’t follow pinboard, who’s a high volume poster, and I don’t have the mental energy to go track down sufficient material to prosecute him with evidence, online argument-style. With that said, what Anil and the…

Thank you for taking the time to explain it in a way that made some sense to me.

Re: No Longer Posting to Pinboard

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This is someone accusing me of transphobia in a situation where no one involved is trans, and no claims are being made about trans people. Which strikes me as extremely ageist.

This is clearly accusing a woman (Khelif) of being a male and only pretending to be female. And even if you pretend it isn't about her (just a poor timing, right?), what does "male competitors in women’s sports" designates if not trans people? After all, which "males" are allowed to compete in women's sports, Maciej, if not transgenders? This is very disingenuous, and you seem to think you can bullshit people. (Don't…

I am absolutely not accusing Khelif, or anyone else, of pretending to be something she's not. The evidence is clear she's a male athlete who grew up with a disorder of sexual development, but it's possible in that scenario to be raised as a girl and not learn of the condition until puberty. I think accusations of bad faith against Khelif are cruel.

To answer your second question, I don't think any male athlete should compete in women's sports, since it negates the purpose of having sex-segregated categories. I believe it's possible to preserve these categories without excluding or vilifying transgender athletes. And I think this sentiment is in line with the vast majority of people who understand there is a tension between affirming people's gender identity and being fair to female athletes.

("Ageist" is a joke about the non-sequitur accusations of transphobia I got in response to my tweet.)

Re: No Longer Posting to Pinboard

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The available evidence shows that Khelif is indeed a male. See this thread for further detail: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43025035

This is a ridiculous post: >In fact every medal winner in the women's 800m at the 2016 Olympics was male. were "male" is redefined as "the 46,XY karyotype". What's next, are we going to screen all basketball players for genes that makes one too tall? But congratulations on Algeria, apparently a "woke" country were it is easy for men to pass as women for decades.

As I asked the other sceptical commenter: how exactly would you explain XY karyotype, testosterone levels in the male range, and male-typical physique - other than by the athletes being male?

https://www.alamy.com/silver-medalist-francine-niyonsaba-of-...

Also, we know that these three were deemed ineligible for future events under the revised World Athletics DSD policy which was developed with the intent of excluding male physical advantage from women's competitions.

Semenya's DSD (5-alpha reductase deficiency) is public knowledge due to the Court of Arbitration for Sport publishing a ruling revealing this. This is a DSD that only affects male sexual development, not female.

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This is clearly accusing a woman (Khelif) of being a male and only pretending to be female. And even if you pretend it isn't about her (just a poor timing, right?), what does "male competitors in women’s sports" designates if not trans people? After all, which "males" are allowed to compete in women's sports, Maciej, if not transgenders? This is very disingenuous, and you seem to think you can bullshit people. (Don't…

I am absolutely not accusing Khelif, or anyone else, of pretending to be something she's not. The evidence is clear she's a male athlete who grew up with a disorder of sexual development, but it's possible in that scenario to be raised as a girl and not learn of the condition until puberty. I think accusations of bad faith against Khelif are cruel. To answer your second question, I don't think any male athlete should…

You say she's male, but she says she's female. How can you square that with "I am absolutely not accusing Khelif of pretending to be something she's not" when you are absolutely accusing her of doing that?

Re: No Longer Posting to Pinboard

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Pinboard has been up and running for 15 years. How many more years would I need to run the site before you'd decide I'm not going to shut it on a whim? Because I'll totally do that, just going on impulse right now.

IIRC you described it at some point as "business performance art", and may I please take this opportunity to thank you for creating this lens from which I have been able to view, understand, and not become infuriated at the last decade of hype-driven startups. If you need any assistance with your infra stuff I'm happy to help.

Thank you; I really appreciate that!

Re: No Longer Posting to Pinboard

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> Why pay for a service, and have the little mental overhead of it existing, when I’ve duplicated it on my own site? For me, because Pinboard has IFTTT integration where I can feed a whole bunch of things[0] into it automagically. None of the self-hosted services has IFTTT integration or, as far as I've seen thus far, webhook functionality I could feed from IFTTT[1]. I've got a self-made feed from Pinboard to a self-…

Hi, linkhut dev here.

Just wanted to call out that linkhut does have IFTTT integration [0]. Although you will need to pay for an IFTTT developer account if you want to enable that on your self hosted instance. If you need help setting that up let me know, I’ll be happy to walk you through the process (and that way I can write documentation on how to do it).

Edit: I also was under the impression that one could use the webhooks integration [1] to make bespoke integrations (as the documentation says they support passing arbitrary request headers) but haven’t tried it myself, have you tried it and run into any issues? I’d also be happy to help improving support for that workflow.

[0] https://ifttt.com/linkhut

[1] https://help.ifttt.com/hc/en-us/articles/115010230347-Webhoo...

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