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Thomas Aquinas' skull reveals appearance and cause of death

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Re: Thomas Aquinas' skull reveals appearance and cause of death

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Isn't this reconstruction a bit on the slim side? Aquinas was reportedly, let's say, a man of portly presence. I can't find a scholarly source on the matter, at the moment, but here are two quotes I found on the website of a nun[1] (no less, so probably written in good faith): > St. Thomas was a huge heavy bull of a man, fat and slow and quiet; very mild and magnanimous but not very sociable; shy, even apart from the…

Chesterton described Aquinas as looking quite like Chesterton. Judging by the name at least half a millenium separates Myron Shibley from Aquinas. Can't it just be a myth, as it seems to hang on a single anecdote? For comparison, the medievals thought that Ovid's name, Publius Ovidius Naso, was because he had a good nose for sniffing out the truth.

Of course, this is by no means historic evidence, it's more an example of the common notion of his appearance – and, admittedly, a rather extreme one.

(And, as already mentioned, Umberto Eco kind of made fun of the semblance.)

Regarding Ovid's name, I think, there was kind of a joy in circular evidence, more for aesthetic reasons than others. Compare, "artifex generale nomen vocatur quod artem faciat" (Isidore), or the notion that the lion indeed obscures its tracks by wiping its path by its wagging tail, because the lion is thus the example of Christianity preserving its secrets from its pagan enemies. There's a medieval joy, even satisfaction, in closures and folds, like this.

Re: Thomas Aquinas' skull reveals appearance and cause of death

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article discusses this. The researchers admit they can't know for sure if they got that part right. On the other hand, standards for body size were very different 750 years ago than today, so that's certainly part of it. Legends tend to get more exaggerated over time, and the legend of Thomas Aquinas has had plenty of time for exaggeration to build up.

It's crazy how standards for body size can change over even shorter time periods. I was watching an old game show with Bob Barker and one of the competitions was for people to guess stats about the "average" man, and then run around Hollywood looking for a man who matched that description. So each competitor would guess the average age, height, number of kids, etc. One woman guessed that the average man weighed 180 p…

I was about 180lbs by the end of highschool, and I was one of the fattest kids in my class. Not to the point that I was given fat kid nicknames or openly mocked, but I was almost always the fattest kid in any given group. Picked last for teams in gym class, chuckled-at when trying to do pullups for the Presidential Physical Fitness Test.

Now I'm 260lbs and fat by any standard. What I wouldn't give to be 180lbs again.

Re: Thomas Aquinas' skull reveals appearance and cause of death

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's crazy how standards for body size can change over even shorter time periods. I was watching an old game show with Bob Barker and one of the competitions was for people to guess stats about the "average" man, and then run around Hollywood looking for a man who matched that description. So each competitor would guess the average age, height, number of kids, etc. One woman guessed that the average man weighed 180 p…

I was about 180lbs by the end of highschool, and I was one of the fattest kids in my class. Not to the point that I was given fat kid nicknames or openly mocked, but I was almost always the fattest kid in any given group. Picked last for teams in gym class, chuckled-at when trying to do pullups for the Presidential Physical Fitness Test. Now I'm 260lbs and fat by any standard. What I wouldn't give to be 180lbs again.

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Re: Thomas Aquinas' skull reveals appearance and cause of death

#84

Isn't this reconstruction a bit on the slim side? Aquinas was reportedly, let's say, a man of portly presence. I can't find a scholarly source on the matter, at the moment, but here are two quotes I found on the website of a nun[1] (no less, so probably written in good faith): > St. Thomas was a huge heavy bull of a man, fat and slow and quiet; very mild and magnanimous but not very sociable; shy, even apart from the…

The article discusses this. The researchers admit they can't know for sure if they got that part right. On the other hand, standards for body size were very different 750 years ago than today, so that's certainly part of it. Legends tend to get more exaggerated over time, and the legend of Thomas Aquinas has had plenty of time for exaggeration to build up.

How about 25000 years ago?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_figurine

Re: Thomas Aquinas' skull reveals appearance and cause of death

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article discusses this. The researchers admit they can't know for sure if they got that part right. On the other hand, standards for body size were very different 750 years ago than today, so that's certainly part of it. Legends tend to get more exaggerated over time, and the legend of Thomas Aquinas has had plenty of time for exaggeration to build up.

How about 25000 years ago? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_figurine

This is close to home, geographically speaking (65km). ;-)

Re: Thomas Aquinas' skull reveals appearance and cause of death

#86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article discusses this. The researchers admit they can't know for sure if they got that part right. On the other hand, standards for body size were very different 750 years ago than today, so that's certainly part of it. Legends tend to get more exaggerated over time, and the legend of Thomas Aquinas has had plenty of time for exaggeration to build up.

It's crazy how standards for body size can change over even shorter time periods. I was watching an old game show with Bob Barker and one of the competitions was for people to guess stats about the "average" man, and then run around Hollywood looking for a man who matched that description. So each competitor would guess the average age, height, number of kids, etc. One woman guessed that the average man weighed 180 p…

Yes, and people have gotten used to the new standard. I know many people who have lost weight, look great and have a healthy amount of body fat. People then say they are "too skinny", but they aren't by any standard measurement and are still heavier than most from 1980s or before. When like 75% of people are overweight, healthy weight people tend to look thin to people (I get these 'too skinny' comments myself occasionally: 5'10" male, 170lbs, ~13-14% bf).

Re: Thomas Aquinas' skull reveals appearance and cause of death

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post #26

> “Now, it could be that on the whole we’re a lot larger now than even overweight medievals were, or that St. Thomas was never the portly friar described by his legend,” Father Aquinas quipped, adding, “Regardless, the stories of St. Thomas’ size are probably exaggerated.” According to Martin Luther (who may have had an interest in discrediting him), Thomas Aquinas was able to devour an entire goose, and a piece of h…

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Re: Thomas Aquinas' skull reveals appearance and cause of death

#88
post #32

People's faces are very rarely that symmetrical which raises doubt in my mind.

There isn’t enough accuracy in the reconstruction process to be sensitive to subtle asymmetries in someone’s face. It’d be completely making that part up.

Re: Thomas Aquinas' skull reveals appearance and cause of death

#90
post #26

> “Now, it could be that on the whole we’re a lot larger now than even overweight medievals were, or that St. Thomas was never the portly friar described by his legend,” Father Aquinas quipped, adding, “Regardless, the stories of St. Thomas’ size are probably exaggerated.” According to Martin Luther (who may have had an interest in discrediting him), Thomas Aquinas was able to devour an entire goose, and a piece of h…

Yet, according to a Wikipedia citation, Aquinas is a revered saint in Lutheranism. Which surprised the heck out of me.
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