But even Google retired their link shortner service.
Google retires their product all the time to the point that it's a meme.
Perma.cc – Permanent Link Service
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#82Permanent, until they go out of business. We should just standardize on archive.org and figure out a way to distribute redundant copies of its data around in such a way that it can survive even if the original Internet Archive goes down. I hate to push blockchain stuff, but something like IPFS might actually be a good idea here.
Someone's still got to dedicate a chunk of their disk to retaining a copy, though.
These folks send copies of all their archives to IA, so it's no less permanent than IA. And being focused on a specific niche (with deep-pocketed backers) means it's less likely to blow up for unrelated reasons.
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, but the the mare success of a service like perma.cc relies on trust. How does someone trust you that you will be here in 10, 20, etc years? Harvard has been around for hundreds of years, Harvard has inbuilt trust, Harvard has funding. You should negotiate and arrange going behind its brand.
Things like https://perma.cc/sign-up/courts It's in several US states' interest to make sure this service keeps existing.
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#8495% of the work for a useful product like this is figuring out how to ensure it survives your dumb business model or the idiocy of the tech industry, and yet none of the words on this landing page explain what work they've done on that. did they not understand that at all? did they just not do any work on it? or did they understand it and do great work but just fail to but it in 100pt text as item 0 on the list? who…
This isn’t a tech product. It’s a decentralized archive organized by Harvard Law School Library. Being literal librarians, I am fairly sure the creators of this service have thought through how it will remain accessible in the long term.
then why don't they mention the most important thing, which they are presumably extremely aware of, on the promo page for the product?
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
My first question was "If this is a free service, how do I know it will still be around in even a few years?". This was answered by your comment that it is (or at least appears to be?) funded by Harvard. In which case, why isn't this prominently displayed on the main page? Or why not use a Harvard library URL, which will significantly boost the trust level? Especially vs a CC TLD which are known to be problematic?
It is on core Harvard funds, and we also have paid accounts used by law firms and journalists. As an innovation lab we often minimize Harvard branding with project websites because it's more instructive to win or lose on our own merits than based on how people feel about Harvard, in either direction.
wow hats off man!
But I am also wondering , is this sustainable , can I use this to archive this hackernews itself for example
And how can we verify the integrity of the web archive , could you please explain?
Thanks a lot in advance. I wish you all the best in your career & this project!
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
This isnt a new product. Harvard made perma.cc over a decade ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perma.cc It's unique in that, if you opt out of the paid account route, you need someone like a library to sponsor your access, and then when you archive something, it is akin to giving it to your library to store.
Right, but new product or not if you use this as a solution for permalinks you are running the risk that in certain types of networks—especially those that the target audience for academic writing often operates in—people will not be able to access your links. That might be worth the trade-off, and it might well be that the service is well-known enough that even networks that block the entire TLD make an exception fo…
I would expect, if a University funds perma.cc that it also wouldn’t be in their blocklist. Maybe I’m too trusting of competence.