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Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by koolba »

lazide wrote: post #62
koolba wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Do you seriously not remember Jan 6th, or that he is literally firing everyone in the FBI who investigated the participants - after pardoning them? What do you think?

> Do you seriously not remember Jan 6th,

I remember Trump telling people at a rally to "march over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.". I remember a minority of the people there rioting and entering the Capitol building. I remember the Biden Department of Justice mistreatment of them and the over prosecutions. And most of all I remember before the than 2024 election, Trump explicitly saying that he would pardon every single one of them on day one.

Having won both the electoral and popular vote, I think it's fair to say the American people are in agreement.

> ... or that he is literally firing everyone in the FBI who investigated the participants - after pardoning them?

Yes and it's good that he's doing it. He ran on a series of explicit promises and one of them was to remove from Washington DC the people on board with the policies of the prior administration. I don't see how anybody that was an active part of the efforts to try to imprison Trump himself or his allies in a direct effort to influence the 2024 election could expect to work for him. That's ridiculous.

I also don't think that society is going to fall apart or that we will somehow not have elections in four years. What I think we'll have is a return to normalcy, a respect for individual rights (including both freedom of speech and the right to bear arms), and a significant paring down of unaccountable bloated government programs.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by CalRobert »

Thorrez wrote: post #78
black_puppydog wrote: post #5

Great to see there's some resistance. What I'm missing from this announcement though is any mention of how they intend to secure this "vault" against the current government. I'm assuming good intentions on the part of Harvard, but keeping this data online against the express will of the government is gonna cost (political) capital. And from what I can see, the archive is hosted by US entities on US-controlled servers…

>how they intend to secure this "vault" against the current government Is there any risk of the government ordering them to take it down? That seems unlikely to me. The US has strong free speech protection, stronger than European free speech protection. >keeping this data online against the express will of the government is gonna cost (political) capital. Costing them political capital (aka the government is unhappy)…

Whether the US still has this protection of free speech remains to be seen

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by cowfriend »

Applejinx wrote: post #68
mongol wrote: post #40

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I am sure there will be elections. Question is how fair they will be. Have a look at Russia's recent presidential election. Putin "winning" it was a given from the start. US voters need to be mindful of all the ways an election can be rigged.

Putin's meddling all over the place including here. To the extent that he has a role in this (certainly has publically claimed to!), he will in no way seek to make America a powerful allied country to Russia. There's no reason to assume he intends Trump or even Musk to actually be powerful in their own right. Especially Musk. Musk must be mad to put himself in the position he's in. The only reason Putin would allow M…

also, many of musk's actions are illegal. Which means he is now owned by Trump. Play nice or go to jail. For a long time.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by lazide »

koolba wrote: post #81
lazide wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you seriously not remember Jan 6th, or that he is literally firing everyone in the FBI who investigated the participants - after pardoning them? What do you think?

> Do you seriously not remember Jan 6th, I remember Trump telling people at a rally to " march over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. ". I remember a minority of the people there rioting and entering the Capitol building. I remember the Biden Department of Justice mistreatment of them and the over prosecutions. And most of all I remember before the than 2024 election, Tru…

I watched Jan 6th live. If that capital guard hadn’t shot the woman, we would have been living in a dictatorship already.

This entire post is just the same kind of delusion seeping everywhere in society right now.

I’m not saying there isn’t bloat or plenty of crappy things that need to be addressed.

But this is a deal with the devil, and it will come due. Quickly.

Because like all his ‘helpers’ found out, they’re disposable and he doesn’t give a crap unless they’re useful to him at the moment.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by greenie_beans »

koolba wrote: post #81
lazide wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you seriously not remember Jan 6th, or that he is literally firing everyone in the FBI who investigated the participants - after pardoning them? What do you think?

> Do you seriously not remember Jan 6th, I remember Trump telling people at a rally to " march over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. ". I remember a minority of the people there rioting and entering the Capitol building. I remember the Biden Department of Justice mistreatment of them and the over prosecutions. And most of all I remember before the than 2024 election, Tru…

i'm curious to hear how the federal government has been infringing on your individual rights? especially your freedom of speech or right to bear arms since those seem like important issues to you

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Post by saghm »

Thorrez wrote: post #78
black_puppydog wrote: post #5

Great to see there's some resistance. What I'm missing from this announcement though is any mention of how they intend to secure this "vault" against the current government. I'm assuming good intentions on the part of Harvard, but keeping this data online against the express will of the government is gonna cost (political) capital. And from what I can see, the archive is hosted by US entities on US-controlled servers…

>how they intend to secure this "vault" against the current government Is there any risk of the government ordering them to take it down? That seems unlikely to me. The US has strong free speech protection, stronger than European free speech protection. >keeping this data online against the express will of the government is gonna cost (political) capital. Costing them political capital (aka the government is unhappy)…

> Is there any risk of the government ordering them to take it down? That seems unlikely to me. The US has strong free speech protection, stronger than European free speech protection.

In other words, you don't think we have to worry about Congress bringing in university presidents to grill them over political activities against the government's current policies occurring on their campuses? Certainly we wouldn't see any of those whose didn't give testimony that the government liked would end up being forced to resign in the aftermath; we're not in the dark ages anymore like we were in 2023...

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Post by MeetingsBrowser »

nxm wrote: post #70
fredoliveira wrote: post #4

Honestly a shame it has to come to this. Sure, people elected this administration and I guess with that comes with a bunch things I disagree with. But the removal of years of scientific research and data from the web (paid for by citizens with their taxes) is absolutely unacceptable. Ravaging CDC data, climate data, etc is horrendous and unforgivable.

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We cancelled $100,000 in life saving donations because half a penny was spent on something considered “woke”.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by greenie_beans »

squigz wrote: post #9
lou1306 wrote: post #8

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I beg you, please stop applying rule-of-law mindset against might-makes-right adversaries. It creates blind spots giving the illusion that the attack surface is way smaller than it actually is. Muskolites are taking on the SSN system without any Congressional oversight as we speak. The President is attacking ius soli which is a Constitutional right. If they decide that sending their sleuths to Cambridge MA to physica…

How do you recommend engaging with the situation then? Throw out the book too?

read curtis yarvin, find the weaknesses in his arguments, and use those weaknesses against their ideology.

for start, he thinks FDR was a dictator but the only reason FDR had such power was because the support of labor and some parts of capital. he would know that if he was a historian instead of LARPing as one.

so organizing and supporting the labor movement would be a good place to start, since a organized labor could become a powerful poltical force. otherwise everybody is fragmented on both sides which further enables their ideology.

a recent blog of his gave me this idea: https://graymirror.substack.com/p/the-pleasure-of-error

he legit thinks trump is about to be FDR 2.0 but his mistake is ignorance about how the power worked during that time. you can even use his "differential" idea in that essay against him. the differential now is labor against wealth. always has been, especially when FDR wielded all the power yarvin thinks was a dictatorship since a lot of that power was given to him by the support of the massive labor movement at the time.

more practically, this blog has some good insight into the "what do i dooooo?????" question https://wagingnonviolence.org/2024/11/10-things-to-do-if-tru...

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by sundaeofshock »

scarface_74 wrote: post #76
FredFS456 wrote: post #59

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IMO US elections have already been less-than-fully-democratic for a while, what with the voting registration and ID nonsense, as well as obvious gerrymandering and voter intimidation. At the very least, significantly less democratic than a number of other western countries.

Let’s stop applying copium to recent events and making excuses. The American people knew exactly what they were getting and voted for him anyway. He won a majority of the popular vote. The Senate is 2 Senators per state regardless of the population and isn’t as susceptible to gerrymandering. That being said, I don’t feel bad for anyone who voted for Trump and is having buyers remorse. We are already seeing it with Ar…

He did not get a majority of the vote. He won with a plurality of 49.8%.

Re: Announcing the data.gov archive

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Post by harimau777 »

milesrout wrote: post #27
black_puppydog wrote: post #5

Great to see there's some resistance. What I'm missing from this announcement though is any mention of how they intend to secure this "vault" against the current government. I'm assuming good intentions on the part of Harvard, but keeping this data online against the express will of the government is gonna cost (political) capital. And from what I can see, the archive is hosted by US entities on US-controlled servers…

>I'm assuming good intentions on the part of Harvard, but keeping this data online against the express will of the government is gonna cost (political) capital. Harvard like other liberal institutions has little to no political capital in a Republican white house in the first place. Why would it cost them any to host data that is in the public domain? This sort of silly overreaction is part of why people voted for Tr…

> Nobody was taken away by the Gestapo...

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/07/trump-administration...

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