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Elon Musk's Demolition Crew

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Re: Elon Musk's Demolition Crew

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Post by ctrlp »

UltraSane wrote: post #61
smitty1e wrote: post #28

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> I'm incredibly depressed and disillusioned to see fellow software engineers drinking the Kool-aid so deeply while they dismantle the US federal government. Please point to a single component of the US federal government in its founding document, the Constitution, that has received as much as a glance. The last century of cruft, corruptly driven by people not standing for election is where the action is found. $37T…

Musk is a liar who lies all the time and is lying about the purpose of DOGE. His actual goal is to settle scores and shut down any departments that he doesn't like. What is is doing is VERY illegal and a Democratic DOJ could very well arrest him for it. What is in the constitution is that ONLY Congress has the power to control spending tax dollars. DOGE has no legal authority to stop any payments that Congress has ap…

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Re: Elon Musk's Demolition Crew

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Post by andrei_says_ »

monero-xmr wrote: post #21
Trasmatta wrote: post #9

> On his personal Substack, he wrote an essay titled “Why I gave up a seven-figure salary to save America,” according to press reports, and described failed U.S. attorney general nominee Matt Gaetz, who withdrew from Congress amid allegations of sexual misconduct, as a “victim” of the deep state. The fact that nobody is stopping these people is the clearest evidence anyone needs that there's no such thing as "the dee…

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I am not sold on these actions being done in good faith, or legally. There’s a lot of evidence of forceful behavior in obtaining access to highly sensitive systems.

Also, the government is here to run services, for us, with the money we give it in the form of taxes.

Removing all government services in order to save money (and provide tax cuts to the 0.1% richest people and corps.) seems to be based in the belief that we are here to serve the people at the top. This is not the spirit of democracy.

Another notable fact is that the current leadership consists of people who are not known for healthy governance providing care and benefit for many. They are known for maximizing extraction, and shocking lack of compassion and understanding.

Besides the open racism and sadistic dickishness. Which, to be fair, we’re a part of the hatred and fear-based platform.

Re: Elon Musk's Demolition Crew

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Post by sqrt_1 »

jfengel wrote: post #25
adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #7

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Some of us don’t agree with the rampant waste in our government. Some of us also don’t have faith that the system can fix itself without drastic measures like this. I’ll admit I’m wrong if and when it turns out that I am. Until then, I’m cheering it on.

How much have we saved so far?

There is a counter at https://www.usdebtclock.org/

Re: Elon Musk's Demolition Crew

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Post by adamtaylor_13 »

chris_wot wrote: post #66
adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #43

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I’ve heard lots of people say that, and you’re entitled to that opinion. But I have yet to hear a single coherent argument explaining why that’s the case. I’m open minded but so far all I’ve heard is Musk/Trump haters clanging the alarm that somehow they’re going to take over the government or ruin America or whatever. With no explanation and no facts to back it up.

The evidence is fairly smacking you in the face. Have you seen the number of Executive Orders that Trump has been signing? Many of which are almost certainly to be overturned?

Yes, what does signing a lot of executive orders have to do with it?

Historically-speaking American presidents are using more and more executive orders to push things through.

That doesn’t inherently make them bad.

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Post by 3vidence »

programmerpass wrote: post #59
Trasmatta wrote: post #36

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DOGE is not about waste, it's about continuing to bypass Congress and consolidate power in the executive branch.

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Americans have the some of the cheapest housing and highest salaries in the world and look around and cry foul.

The biggest thing holding poorer Americans back is lack of education opportunities and wage theft by their employers.

What does this department do to address those issues?

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Post by chris_wot »

UltraSane wrote: post #78
chris_wot wrote: post #52

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I'm from Australia. Most of us cannot believe what is happening right now.

Rupert Murdoch is a HUGE reason this is happening.

He's not an Australian. He was, then you guys made him a citizen. He's your problem.

Re: Elon Musk's Demolition Crew

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Post by UltraSane »

adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #7
chris_wot wrote: post #5

How did you Americans allow any of this?

Some of us don’t agree with the rampant waste in our government. Some of us also don’t have faith that the system can fix itself without drastic measures like this. I’ll admit I’m wrong if and when it turns out that I am. Until then, I’m cheering it on.

You do realize that what Musk and DOGE is doing is completely unconstitutional, right? ONLY Congress has the right to spend tax dollars. DOGE has no legal right whatsoever to stop any payments Congress has approved.

A Democratic DOJ could very well arrest and charge Musk for what he is doing.

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