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Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by ajdude »

jbverschoor wrote: post #77

Why not charge x ct per search. Or rather, x ct per click through. Or rather, x ct per action on a target website? Search = advertisements

Kagi used to charge based on the amount of searches you would do. It wasn't x ct per search, but x $ per Y searches.

A lot of people didn't really like that, so they introduced the $10/mo for unlimited. You can still pay $5/mon for 300 searches: https://kagi.com/pricing

I would probably be paying less if I just did cents per search, but I honestly just like unlimited plans, so personally wouldn't get pay per search.

I'm the type of person who does a Kagi search for "5+7" instead of pulling up a Calculator, so I would rack up pretty quickly.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by fnord123 »

dirkc wrote: post #75

This makes sense, if someone isn't using your service for a month, chances are good that they are going to cancel soon. Maybe they'll keep on paying for another few months, but if they're not using it, they're not getting any value from it. So rather than getting them to cancel, pause their subscription. You don't have to deal with cancellations, and if/when the user does return, you are one step further than you wou…

More importantly you can tell investors you have even more accounts than you do and your churn rate is very low.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by globular-toast »

camhart wrote: post #63
efitz wrote: post #2

Kudos for adopting a user friendly billing policy. I would love to see the FTC mandate a policy that prohibits automatic renewal billing if the service hasn’t been used for some time.

You're assuming there is no cost to the business when the service isn't actively being used. Thats not always the case.

Well they specifically said "renewal" so the business just wouldn't renew them and therefore not cost them any more money.

Obviously some services like insurance or storage don't work like this, though. I don't want to use them, but I want them to be there if I do need them.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by greatgib »

vincnetas wrote: post #36
denkmoon wrote: post #7

That's great, but I can't even imagine "forgetting" to use Kagi. Completely indispensable.

Could you share what you find in kagi indispensable? Just subscribed, and looking around.

For me, it is not even any particular feature, but just doing a search and getting straight and instantly the results that I need, without crap.

Also I guess part of this is probably the option I used to give higher priority to some websites like python org.

When I subscribed with Kagi, I was so totally pissed off and stressed by using Google where you will now have crap and unrelated ad links everywhere on the page. And in addition often first link that are garbage Copycat of principal websites. For example, for python, when looking for a module documentation, the official doc is the best but there would be hundreds of ad filled shitty pages that would appear first.

Re: Fair Pricing

#85

Post by fhd2 »

manmal wrote: post #38

Ok that’s it, I‘ll renew my account now. I‘ve been using it two years ago and was pretty happy, until a problem in my payment processor failed the payments to Kagi. I thought I wouldn’t miss it, but lately I haven’t been happy with DDG and been reaching more for Google, or should I say suffering Google? I also thought for a while that things like ChatGPT internet search or perplexity would replace DDG and Kagi, but,…

Exactly! For a lot of work, I use Claude as my first source, then typically I verify what I got out of it with a search engine. If the search engine also starts to hallucinate (starting to see that on Google if I'm not crazy), I have zero use for it. I want results that match my search query, period.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by ajdude »

Unfortunately, I will never be able to take advantage of this policy, For the very reason that I have kagi Set as my exclusive search engine on every single device that I own, And there's no way that I could go even a Day, let alone a month, without using this fantastic service.

Keep up the good work guys!

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by barnabee »

This is cool.

It’d be great if they extended it to refund $5 for anyone on a Pro or Ultimate plan doing less than 300 searches in a month, too. (I pay for ultimate and would still be very happy with that gesture.)

Re: Fair Pricing

#88

Post by thih9 »

fnord123 wrote: post #82
dirkc wrote: post #75

This makes sense, if someone isn't using your service for a month, chances are good that they are going to cancel soon. Maybe they'll keep on paying for another few months, but if they're not using it, they're not getting any value from it. So rather than getting them to cancel, pause their subscription. You don't have to deal with cancellations, and if/when the user does return, you are one step further than you wou…

More importantly you can tell investors you have even more accounts than you do and your churn rate is very low.

Plus, you get to stay in touch and advertise via a monthly email: “You didn’t do any searches so we’re giving you next month for free, here are all the cool things you could do:…”.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by dmos62 »

neilv wrote: post #80

For the frugal-minded customers, will this be motivation to avoid using the service for the first time that month (and a little sinking feeling when you do)?

My first thought. I'd think that first N searches being free each month would fix that for me. Paying for the full month for 1 search feels off, but paying the same for 10 searches dilutes the feeling by factor of 10.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by llm_trw »

The one area that'd make kagi thousands of dollars from me and the apps I use would be to lower their APO searches to a sane price.

Currently they charge 2.5c for an API search. This is between 1,000 to 1,000,000 times more than other companies in the space charge.

AI systems need to do dozens of searches for every question to get good results and kagi's results are really good. But not 1,000,000 times better than the competition.

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