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Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

#81
The reason for the TPM requirement (I heard, anyway) was so they could dump a decade or so’s worth of compatability fixes. Which is fine, but dropping support for Windows 10 is just gouging from organisations who require support, and potentially leaving consumers who are ‘just fine’ with their PC and Windows 10 without security fixes - [0] ‘Windows 10 will lose security support in October 2025’

[0] https://www.which.co.uk/news/article/windows-10-will-lose-se...

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

#82
I've been unimpressed with the direction that Windows has been taking for 15-ish years. Aero glass was one of the best-looking UIs ever, but it was thrown out. Windows 10 was tolerable for me, but the reports of what's been happening in the beta channels is disturbing. Telemetry has been there for a while, and I took steps to stop it, but I despise ads (suggested/recommended apps are practically ads). I don't think any sane person asked for a screenshotting AI that you could ask for your credit card info. The people in charge of Windows are out of touch with what everyday people actually want from it.

Because Windows 10 support is ending this October, I moved to Linux 2 weeks ago, and I don't think I'll be back to Windows unless it turns around.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

#83
post #68

Wild to me that a company can work on a product for twenty years, have multiple releases, and not have made any significant improvements to it beyond updated hardware support. Like, y'all could just do a 25th Anniversary Edition of Windows 2000 and people would go ape shit for it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_XP

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_Vista

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_7

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_10

???

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

#84
post #68

Wild to me that a company can work on a product for twenty years, have multiple releases, and not have made any significant improvements to it beyond updated hardware support. Like, y'all could just do a 25th Anniversary Edition of Windows 2000 and people would go ape shit for it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_XP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_Vista https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_10 ???

HN will never let facts stand in the way of good FUD.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

#85
post #81

The reason for the TPM requirement (I heard, anyway) was so they could dump a decade or so’s worth of compatability fixes. Which is fine, but dropping support for Windows 10 is just gouging from organisations who require support, and potentially leaving consumers who are ‘just fine’ with their PC and Windows 10 without security fixes - [0] ‘Windows 10 will lose security support in October 2025’ [0] https://www.which.…

>Which is fine, but dropping support for Windows 10 is just gouging from organisations who require support, and potentially leaving consumers who are ‘just fine’ with their PC and Windows 10 without security fixes - [0]

That seems... fine? Once upon a time, windows had a fixed support lifecycle of 10 years, and you had pay to upgrade to the latest version. Windows 10 was released in 2015 and will be supported until 2025. This is entirely in line with that. At least with windows 11 the upgrade is free.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

#86

Wait until the programs you need to run only work on w11.

Isn’t backwards compatibility one of the tentpole features of Windows? If you meant future versions of apps, sure, but I’d otherwise not expect this to be a problem in any significant sense.

"programs you need to run only work on w11" is forwards compatibility, not backwards compatibility.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

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post #73
post #56

I stopped reading when he uninstalled defender. Is the best thing ms did to windows! OP is like the 90% of linux users: if it doesn't do what he wants him to do, it sucks. Like you said most users don't care about TMP, they also don't care about who is protecting them, what interface it is, how printers work, how office works, how browsers work. This is why windows is/was successful, you start it, open outlook, mail,…

> if it doesn't do what he wants him to do, it sucks Well... yeah? The computer is a tool. If my tool doesn't do what I want it to do, or, by extension, it does things I didn't ask for or need, then it does suck. If my tool suddenly told me that my toolbox needs another, arbitrary tool Y that I don't need (in this case, TPM), then I will look for another brand. The fact that "most users" are ignorant doesn't mean tha…

> "Also, security, as we see every day, is all about backend infrastructure, like telcos not getting hax0red, amirite, and not about home users. After all, in my three decades of computing, 100% of harm to my "computing estate" came from companies being lax with their data in their "clouds", not from any movie-like hax0rology on my local systems."

Does the author not remember the days when connecting an unpatched Windows system to the internet got it hax0red in minutes? And how those hax0red Windows systems were a pain for the rest of us, being spam and DDoS sources and worse? And that Microsoft fixed it? And the author doesn't want to pay taxes for roads because they don't benefit from roads because they walk to the shops? Because they are a free thining independent Linux user who doesn't understand that the shop employees drive to work and the shop stock is driven to the shop.

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

#88
post #68

Wild to me that a company can work on a product for twenty years, have multiple releases, and not have made any significant improvements to it beyond updated hardware support. Like, y'all could just do a 25th Anniversary Edition of Windows 2000 and people would go ape shit for it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_XP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_Vista https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_10 ???

> Windows 10 reintroduced the start menu

A great feature. They dumbed it down though.

> Unlike in previous versions of Windows NT, the Win32 console windows can now be resized without any restrictions.

Truly a great achievement. It took MS 2 decades.

> It can be made to cover the full screen by pressing the Alt+↵ Enter combination on keyboard.

Maybe i'm too old, but this was always working.

And the cherry on the cake: > The modern Settings app from Windows 8 continues to evolve in Windows 10,

I mean, taking a man, cutting his limbs and stuffing his mouth, hardly can be called "evolution".

Re: Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

#90
post #68

Wild to me that a company can work on a product for twenty years, have multiple releases, and not have made any significant improvements to it beyond updated hardware support. Like, y'all could just do a 25th Anniversary Edition of Windows 2000 and people would go ape shit for it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_XP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_Vista https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_10 ???

Arguably, especially in the 8/10/11 era, few of these features are things that meaningfully enhance the user experience. Incredibly, we're still running NTFS and dealing with hacks on hacks on hacks. In the 8 era, a huge number of massive projects were started, promoted, and mothballed.
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