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Re: Apple is open sourcing Swift Build

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Post by wahnfrieden »

JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B wrote: post #46
uhura wrote: post #36

I believe that this long game of Swift being "good for everything" but "better for Apple platforms" will be detrimental to the language. This does not help the language nor seems to bring more people to the ecosystem. Competitors seems to have a combination of: - Being more open-source - Have more contributors - Have a narrower scope Maybe they should consider open sourcing all the tooling (like Xcode) otherwise the…

This has been my experience for a long time. Swift is nice but why would I waste my time working on a language that is too tied to the Apple platform even if it's open-source when we have more universal scripting languages like Python, or languages like Kotlin that are compiled but have more support (because I trust JetBrains way more than Apple at the moment), or languages that are most strict like Rust but have mor…

See https://skip.tools for a new entrant

Re: Apple is open sourcing Swift Build

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Post by kelnos »

JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B wrote: post #46
uhura wrote: post #36

I believe that this long game of Swift being "good for everything" but "better for Apple platforms" will be detrimental to the language. This does not help the language nor seems to bring more people to the ecosystem. Competitors seems to have a combination of: - Being more open-source - Have more contributors - Have a narrower scope Maybe they should consider open sourcing all the tooling (like Xcode) otherwise the…

This has been my experience for a long time. Swift is nice but why would I waste my time working on a language that is too tied to the Apple platform even if it's open-source when we have more universal scripting languages like Python, or languages like Kotlin that are compiled but have more support (because I trust JetBrains way more than Apple at the moment), or languages that are most strict like Rust but have mor…

> Either they are the best and everyone uses macOS

"Best" obviously means different things to different people, but at least by market share, macOS has never been the best. Modern Apple doesn't seem to care about market share outside of the iPhone (and even then, they are still more interested in the iPhone being a premium product than winning on market share).

I used to like macOS, 15-20 years ago, but now it's just power-user-hostile and considerably more locked down and buggy. That's not the way to be "best", by any metric I can think of.

Re: Apple is open sourcing Swift Build

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Post by kergonath »

robotresearcher wrote: post #70
mojuba wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have a stack dump, which means you will get all the information if you symbolicate your crash report. Xcode can do it for you automatically, but some manual methods also exist.

Indeed the error report being complained about explains this and tells you how to fix it. Maybe the friendly default would be to have the symbolicated reports on, but perhaps this has performance impact so it’s off.

> Maybe the friendly default would be to have the symbolicated reports on

As a comment just below says, the solution is quite simple:

> ensure you have llvm-symbolizer in your PATH or set the environment var `LLVM_SYMBOLIZER_PATH` to point to it

Re: Apple is open sourcing Swift Build

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Post by kelnos »

uhura wrote: post #36

I believe that this long game of Swift being "good for everything" but "better for Apple platforms" will be detrimental to the language. This does not help the language nor seems to bring more people to the ecosystem. Competitors seems to have a combination of: - Being more open-source - Have more contributors - Have a narrower scope Maybe they should consider open sourcing all the tooling (like Xcode) otherwise the…

This feels similar to C# and Microsoft's other CLR/.NET languages. Sure, they've broken away a bit and aren't exclusively used to run things on MS platforms, but still.

And Swift is even more tied to Apple, at least to my inexperienced eye. I'm not really an Apple person (Linux, Android), even though I once really enjoyed their hardware... Swift is so far down on my list of languages to look at that I probably will never get to it.

Re: Apple is open sourcing Swift Build

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Post by raydev »

krupan wrote: post #56

The discussion here reminds me so much of early C# days. It was being touted as open source and cross platform back then, and Microsoft even hired a top GNOME developer to port it to Linux and GNOME was going to be rewritten in C#. It was going to be amazing. Never quite panned out.

> Microsoft even hired a top GNOME developer to port it to Linux and GNOME was going to be rewritten in C#

Do you have a source for the GNOME C# claim? I can't find one.

Re: Apple is open sourcing Swift Build

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Post by jakepetroules »

msk-lywenn wrote: post #55

The article doesn't mention the differences with current swift package manager build system. The repository doesn't mention it either, just saying that swiftpm can use the new build system by adding an argument. Anybody does what does this actually changes? Does it improve something for non-Apple platforms?

> Does it improve something for non-Apple platforms?

Yes! This will improve the Swift and SwiftPM experience for _all_ platforms.

There are a number of goals outlined on our forums post https://forums.swift.org/t/evolving-swiftpm-builds-with-swif..., which goes into much more detail.

Re: Apple is open sourcing Swift Build

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Post by sgt »

elforce002 wrote: post #40
timsneath wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course! Tons of examples here: https://github.com/apple/swift-embedded-examples At WWDC24, we shared a session on embedded Swift, which is available on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqxbsADqDI4 More documentation on embedded Swift tooling here: https://github.com/swiftlang/swift/blob/main/docs/EmbeddedSw... (Disclosure: I work at Apple.)

Hi Tim. I liked your work with dart/flutter. Are you guys working on overhauling Xcode? The DX is atrocious.

Did something happen with Xcode? I used it around 5 years ago, and it was pretty good and fast. I don't think it had dark mode but that's not too important to me.

Re: Apple is open sourcing Swift Build

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Post by kelnos »

krupan wrote: post #56

The discussion here reminds me so much of early C# days. It was being touted as open source and cross platform back then, and Microsoft even hired a top GNOME developer to port it to Linux and GNOME was going to be rewritten in C#. It was going to be amazing. Never quite panned out.

I think you might have the history mixed up a bit. The Mono project started without Microsoft's involvement (and they were probably even annoyed by it at the time).

GNOME was betting on their own Vala language, which is still a thing, but never really gained much traction.

Eventually Microsoft bought Mono during their embrace of open source.

Re: Apple is open sourcing Swift Build

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Post by bastardoperator »

dhsysusbsjsi wrote: post #59
st3fan wrote: post #47

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I don't know about Xcode, but Swift is open source with an active community so if it doesn't work for you then you can definitely bother the Swift Open-Source project with a pull request or a proposal for a language or tooling improvement. You can also have a discussion on the forums or in the bug tracker with fellow contributors. You can also make the change in your own fork and use that. This is exactly how for exa…

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