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Musk aides lock government workers out of computer systems at US agency

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Re: Musk aides lock government workers out of computer systems at US agency

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Meh, that seems like hyperbole to me. Doesn't a real coup involve the military going into federal buildings and rounding up congressmen from opposing parties and detaining them? Forgive me for not viewing it the same way. The news is focusing on the airplane right now.

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Re: Musk aides lock government workers out of computer systems at US agency

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Just how many actual “rank and file employees” have actually been targeted or fired so far? If you are going to bring up the RTO directive, please don’t, those folks are in full control of their continued employment and prior to March of 2020 having to actually go to an office to work would not be viewed as “targeting” anyone.

Dozens of rank and file prosecutors have been fired from the DOJ, because they worked on cases against the January 6 defendants or on cases against Trump.

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> If the President gets elected promising to fire executive branch employees, then his doing so is literally democratic. But it may not be legal , which is determined by the Constitution and laws set by Congress. People who are also elected democratically. Behaving in a manner counter to those laws is also fundamentally undemocratic, the President and the Executive are bound by those laws set by the representatives o…

Even assuming that’s true, violating some employment action notice laws is far less “anti-democratic” than the federal workforce declaring Resistance to the agenda of the elected government.

Yes, the President is constrained by law. But hiring and firing executive branch employees is also at the core of his constitutional power. And the President is the only constitutional actor that can do this job—Congress or the courts can’t hire and fire people.

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That's not how this works. We are a country of laws. The president is not a constitutional monarch.

You have to understand that phrase in the context of the tripartite system of government. We do not have a system of “legal supremacy,” where the lawyers overseeing compliance with the law are effectively a fourth branch of government above all the other branches. The framers were very concerned about the “who watches the watchers” situation.

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Meh, that seems like hyperbole to me. Doesn't a real coup involve the military going into federal buildings and rounding up congressmen from opposing parties and detaining them? Forgive me for not viewing it the same way. The news is focusing on the airplane right now.

I wouldn't call it a coup, but I've seen something similar going on in some Europe countries in the past (including mine).

President or government acting like a mafia, replacing all key employees based solely on loyalty to them and not competence. And this is done at such a massive scale and speed that the whole country becomes a kleptocracy real quick. Pretty much what's unfolding in the US right now.

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> The systems include a vast database called Enterprise Human Resources Integration, which contains dates of birth, Social Security numbers, appraisals, home addresses, pay grades and length of service of government workers, the officials said. > "We have no visibility into what they are doing with the computer and data systems," one of the officials said. "That is creating great concern. There is no oversight. It cr…

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Re: Musk aides lock government workers out of computer systems at US agency

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Musk should have nothing to do with governing. Period.

This guy decided to get into politics like 5 months ago and is now the second most powerful person in the world purely by dint of being extremely wealthy. He bought the US government and it was apparently a bargain at $250M.

Actually, 44.28bn when you include twitter acquisition. Still a bargain.

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Sorry, can you be more specific as to what law is being broken? You imply that this is illegal, but you don’t say how exactly.

> Sorry, can you be more specific as to what law is being broken? At least in the case of the IG firings, he failed to comply with the 30 day notice required by law. My point is actually broader than just the firings and dismissals. The elected President is not an elected autocrat. He doesn't get to do what he wants because "his doing so is literally democratic". He gets to act in a way that complies with the democra…

And federal employees have no separate role in the tripartite constitutional structure. That seems more important than some employment laws.
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