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OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor

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Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor

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Post by shafyy »

beAbU wrote: post #66
marricks wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, DeepSeek is allegedly... better? So saying they just copied ClosedAI isn't really sufficient of an answer. Seems to be just bluster because the US Govt would probably accept any excuse to ban it, see TikTok.

How can they ban something thats open source that you can just run on your own hardware?

It's not open source. The provide the model and the weights, but not the source code and, crucially, the training data. As long as LLM makers don't provide the training data (and they never will, because then they will be admitting to stealing), LLMs are never going to be open source.

Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor

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Post by fabianhjr »

beAbU wrote: post #66
marricks wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, DeepSeek is allegedly... better? So saying they just copied ClosedAI isn't really sufficient of an answer. Seems to be just bluster because the US Govt would probably accept any excuse to ban it, see TikTok.

How can they ban something thats open source that you can just run on your own hardware?

There are illegal numbers in the USA land of the "free".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_number

> An AACS encryption key (09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0) that came to prominence in May 2007 is an example of a number claimed to be a secret, and whose publication or inappropriate possession is claimed to be illegal in the United States.

Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor

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Post by [deleted] »

marricks wrote: post #36
semking wrote: post #21

This is absolutely hilarious! :) ClosedAI scraped human content without asking and they explained why this was acceptable... but when the outputs of their training corpus is scraped, it is THEIR dataset and this is NOT acceptable! Oh, the irony! :D I shared a few screenshots of DeepSeek answering using ChatGPT's output in yesterday's article! https://semking.com/deepseek-china-ai-model-breakthrough-sec...

Also, DeepSeek is allegedly... better? So saying they just copied ClosedAI isn't really sufficient of an answer. Seems to be just bluster because the US Govt would probably accept any excuse to ban it, see TikTok.

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Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor

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Post by nottorp »

IP thief cries IP thief.

It's okay when you steal worldwide IP to train your "AI".

It's not okay when said stolen IP is stolen from you?

If the chinese are guilty, then Altman's doom and gloom racket is as guilty or even more, considering they stole from everyone.

Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor

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Post by wturner »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #53
whatshisface wrote: post #19

It's reasonably likely that a lot of people linked to the federal government want to ban DeepSeek. You can tell it's being presented away from "they gave us a free set of weights" and towards "they destroyed $1T of shareholder value." (By revealing that Microsoft et al. paid way too much to OpenAI et al. for technology that was actually easy to reinvent.)

Theoretically this should be good for OpenAI - in that they can reduce their costs by ~27x and pass that along to end users to get more adoption and more profit.

Capitalism - a system where rational actors make informed decisions.

Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor

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Post by readyplayernull »

Do you remember when Microsoft was caught scrapping data from Google:

https://www.wired.com/2011/02/bing-copies-google/

They don't care, T&C and copyright is void unless it affects them, others can go kick rocks. Not surprising they and OpenAI will do a legal battle over this.

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