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Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by hedora »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #5
llamaimperative wrote: post #4

This is the type of thing that'd normally show up on CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report which has been published weekly since 1960 (my understanding is this is without fail). But unfortunately the current administration has decided an ideological purification is more important than keeping the American public apprised of threats to their health. So it wasn't published last week, and probably won't be this we…

How is it that Trump is so timely at cutting medical resources right before the moment it is most needed? Or perhaps such outbreaks are more common than you'd expect and it's the equivalent of leaving a firewall down for a day? And yeah, I'm aware a bigger factor in this freeze was hiding the very obvious Bird Flu pandemic. Can't hide the eggs getting more expensive though.

Cutting resources often is the root cause for an outbreak.

- SARSv2 (aka Covid-19) happened after Trump disbanded the team that contained SARSv1.

- During COVID, the west suspended polio vaccination programs in developing regions, so now polio outbreaks are a thing again.

- Antivaxxers in NYC caused a massive measles outbreak a few years ago.

Etc, etc.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by Trasmatta »

Waterluvian wrote: post #66
llamaimperative wrote: post #4

This is the type of thing that'd normally show up on CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report which has been published weekly since 1960 (my understanding is this is without fail). But unfortunately the current administration has decided an ideological purification is more important than keeping the American public apprised of threats to their health. So it wasn't published last week, and probably won't be this we…

I wonder if we’d do better in discourse to stop pointing at an “administration.” It is a reflection of what a plurality, often majority, of people want.

Democracy doesn't mean "accept what the current administration does with no criticism, because they were democratically elected"

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by lenerdenator »

api wrote: post #63
malfist wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were ordered to halt all publications, cancel trainings and not communicate with state health departments

What is the supposed rationale for this? Or is this just a general ideological purge of the government? This is going to be a crazy four years, if it’s only four.

I'm going to guess that the rationale is a combination of:

1) state's rights

2) anti-science

3) a number of people in the administration (very possibly including Trump himself) thinking that the CDC is an example of "the deep state" that conspired to keep him from winning in 2020

But, hey, Joe made groceries more expensive and the administration didn't kiss enough rear on the left side of the Dems to get Kamala elected, so, here we are.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by hammock »

kibwen wrote: post #80
hammock wrote: post #31

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It is. It’s called a protest vote, and it’s done by casting a blank ballot

I'm not sure who told you that casting a blank ballot represents a "protest vote", but I assure you that is not how our current voting system is set up. To be clear, voting systems should have explicit options for protest votes; an explicit "I reject all candidates" option. Unfortunately, ours does not, by design; a blank ballot instead means "I endorse all candidates". Pretending otherwise will not change this.

These people did. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protest_vote

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by hedora »

lolinder wrote: post #21
PhoenixReborn wrote: post #10

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The crucial word in the headline is "recorded". I doubt that record-keeping in the 1800s was as comprehensive as it is today. Additionally, from the article: > the CDC started monitoring TB in the US in the 1950s.

Eh, "recorded history" is totally the wrong phrase. When we say "recorded history" we don't mean "the window of time in which we have detailed records up to our modern standards", we specifically mean "the window of time in which we have records of any sort", contrasted with "prehistory". The phrase they were looking for is "largest on record" or even better "largest since 195X". > For broader world history, recorded…

Largest in CDC records. US government records existed before 1950.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by brewdad »

liontwist wrote: post #74
ceejayoz wrote: post #72

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https://healthjournalism.org/blog/2023/07/medical-errors-are... > In a critical commentary, the co-editors-in-chief of the journal BMJ Quality & Safety wrote that the paper’s “headline-friendly” mortality rate — which was 10 times the rate suggested by prior studies — was so implausible that it risked undermining confidence in the entire field of patient safety research. > Yet the notion that medical errors are the t…

So why doesn’t the CDC track it so we know the actual numbers? That would be good information to know. Also the academic article here is simply a response to another academic article supporting the 3rd leading cause of death: https://scholar.google.com/scholar_lookup?author=MA+Makary&a... Which academic has it right? The study you shared is critical of the sources used in the first, but also provides no new data sour…

Probably because you could die from medical malpractice tomorrow but the final determination will take many years to resolve in the courts. Is there much value in going back and revising a number of deaths from 2019? Maybe. If the numbers are large enough or reflect a pattern that could be corrected/improved. More likely is there is nothing actionable there.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by williadc »

John Green, author of "The Fault in Our Stars", "Turtles All the Way Down", "The Anthropocene Reviewed", and other fine books is releasing a book called "Everything is Tuberculosis." If you are interested in the topic or just like to read well-written prose, I recommend joining me in pre-ordering it.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by HWR_14 »

mjevans wrote: post #19
laidoffamazon wrote: post #15

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"None of the Above" (see Bruster's Millions (Movie)) really needs to be an option...

How would that change anything? If all the people who didn't vote voted "none of the above", Trump still wins.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by btilly »

hammock wrote: post #64
ysofunny wrote: post #52

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but only because dead people don't buy eggs so it's expected lowered demand will "stabilize" prices. the numbers are what's important, people. (sorry (not sorry) for the angry sarcasm)

Has anyone died from the Kansas outbreak? Are you scaremongering? I checked the TB mortality in the US and it was 2 per 1,000,000 cases

I presume that the chickens are being killed due to fear of bird flu.

Re: Kansas tuberculosis outbreak is America's largest recorded since the 1950s

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Post by brewdad »

SkyPuncher wrote: post #65
laidoffamazon wrote: post #15

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Worth noting, 49.8% of the voting population wanted this. Voter turn out was 63.9% of the adult population. Which means the numbers are closer to * 1/3 of adults voted for Trump * 1/4 of the entire population voted for Trump (though, that's a bit of weird example since kids can't vote)

A distinction without a difference at this point.
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