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YC Graveyard: 821 inactive Y Combinator startups

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Re: YC Graveyard: 821 inactive Y Combinator startups

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Airbnb is mostly commercial listings that are basically unlicensed hotel rooms / appartments. I don't think people renting out their personal living spaces is a big part of their income. It's just a story they use to get around regulations.

None of that existed when they first started. The pitch was to rent out your house while you're out of town.

But they only got big when the commercial "hotels" came on and saw they could "work around" laws like that.

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In other sectors that's just called a "small business" and celebrated as the fullest expression of the American dream. I've always found it funny that tech treats the idea of a going concern with such distaste.

Specifically investors, not "all of tech". And to be fair to them, if a company doesn't grow, your investment is wasted in that company, right? No shade to good small businesses, but they may not be worth investing in?

Venture Capitalists, not all investors.

See https://codiesanchez.com/book/ or https://store.hbr.org/product/hbr-guide-to-buying-a-small-bu...

Re: YC Graveyard: 821 inactive Y Combinator startups

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Enough money to keep going doesn't mean just enough money to cover the costs. It means being able to continue paying yourself and all your employees their salaries, meet costs and make a small minimum profit.

Aren't salaries considered to be part of the costs?

Yea, I meant more pay all the other bills like AWS, etc. But yea, salaries are defo costs.

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That’s not what a lifestyle business is. Unless your lifestyle is eating ramen

Sure it is. If your business nets 3 million a year, it takes 5 people to run it, and your customer base is steady, that's lifestyle. Sucks for investors, pretty nice for you if you can keep it running.

I thought that was called sustainable.

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There are not just startups that become unicorns and startups that fold. Investors' worst nightmare is if you just make enough money to keep going, but you don't grow ("lifestyle business" as they use it is a derogatory term). That's because they prefer a sudden death where they can write down the investment and deduct their loss from taxes than an investment where they never see any money again. And then there are "…

Nothing stops them from selling you back their share at close to zero if they really want to right it off.

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Re: YC Graveyard: 821 inactive Y Combinator startups

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Sure it is. If your business nets 3 million a year, it takes 5 people to run it, and your customer base is steady, that's lifestyle. Sucks for investors, pretty nice for you if you can keep it running.

In other sectors that's just called a "small business" and celebrated as the fullest expression of the American dream. I've always found it funny that tech treats the idea of a going concern with such distaste.

While I do agree with you, if it took tens of millions of dollars in initial capital to get there, which hasn’t been returned, it’s quite a different thing to the standard small businesses model.

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That’s not what a lifestyle business is. Unless your lifestyle is eating ramen

Enough money to keep going doesn't mean just enough money to cover the costs. It means being able to continue paying yourself and all your employees their salaries, meet costs and make a small minimum profit.

You have to add “and return initial capital” to that list. That’s usually what’s at issue here.

Re: YC Graveyard: 821 inactive Y Combinator startups

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The list is missing stock trading platform Cera. These clowns were absolute scammers with a buggy app and zero customer support.

"Cera: Invest with Stablecoins" -- with that elevator pitch, how could they possibly NOT be clowns and absolute scammers and incompetent software developers who hold their customers in contempt? And how could YC possibly be fooled by that, unless they were maliciously and unethically intending to make money by financing fraud? I hope the leopards ate their faces off and peed on their couch.

Another example of objectively obvious fraud that is on the graveyard list is "NFTScoring". Yeah, just what kind of people aspire to tell other people which NFTs to buy (professional shills and get-rich-quick ponzi pyramid scheme scammers, that's who), and what kind of people knowingly invest in them, or recommend them after performing due shilligence?

Re: YC Graveyard: 821 inactive Y Combinator startups

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Sure it is. If your business nets 3 million a year, it takes 5 people to run it, and your customer base is steady, that's lifestyle. Sucks for investors, pretty nice for you if you can keep it running.

I thought that was called sustainable.

Is it sustainable, if it took millions to bootstrap? I mean I guess if it can just keep running, but the investors might not agree if they need to wait 15 years to make their money back.
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