It's the userland that always sends me back to Linux. I've tried BSD a few times, but there are enough gnu flags in my muscle memory for command line utilities that it's painful.
Chimera Linux works toward a simplified desktop
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Re: Chimera Linux works toward a simplified desktop
#82Why not just use a BSD?
considering it's not a bsd nor it's trying to be like one, that question doesn't make a lot of sense?
Re: Chimera Linux works toward a simplified desktop
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
TBH depending on Python also isn't the best choice - it has become a huge and complex language, goes as far as optionally embedding another full language (Tcl, for Tkinter), all the async stuff, kitchen sink standard library, etc. I don't even know how much effort it would require to bootstrap. I would personally go with something like Lua - small, trivial to embed, multiple implementations to pick from, etc. It woul…
it's absolutely the kitchen sink standard library and "complex" language that makes it worth using, because 1) it means no additional dependencies and 2) the language is expressive enough to let the template syntax remain simple and well-abstracted have you ever tried bootstrapping python? because it's really not a big deal (the only hard dependencies are a C compiler, libffi, and zlib, though distros also add libedi…
Have you ever tried upgrading python on a machine with a large codebase that you need to maintain?
Re: Chimera Linux works toward a simplified desktop
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
The screenshot you're asking for will be indistinguishable from any GNOME desktop screenshot you find on GNOME's website. Before giving advice it would be worth understanding the subject matter. It's a new OS, not a new desktop shell.
The title statement "works toward a simplified desktop" makes the authors' focus pretty clear, so it's just fair to look for screenshots. It would be disappointing if it was just the same as GNOME.
well that's just what the LWN article states, the project itself does not do that anywhere
the desktops on chimera are standard (gnome/kde/xfce and a variety of compositors and window managers available for installation)
Re: Chimera Linux works toward a simplified desktop
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
The were the PPC maintainer. Which is why PPC is a tier one arch for Chimera Linux from the start.
Interestingly enough there are almost zero reasonable PPC computers one can get.
At the PPC prices, you got to have a really good reason to want a PPC desktop. The TalosII cost nearly $10k for the base 2X 4-core Power9 CPU version, and another $5k to upgrade to the 22-core CPU version.
Re: Chimera Linux works toward a simplified desktop
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
it's absolutely the kitchen sink standard library and "complex" language that makes it worth using, because 1) it means no additional dependencies and 2) the language is expressive enough to let the template syntax remain simple and well-abstracted have you ever tried bootstrapping python? because it's really not a big deal (the only hard dependencies are a C compiler, libffi, and zlib, though distros also add libedi…
Have you ever tried upgrading python on a machine with a large codebase that you need to maintain?
sure, in fact i updated an entire distro to a new python major version several times
cbuild started iirc with python 3.8, currently it requires at least 3.12 due to some features (it will stay on that minimum for a while, though newer versions are always supported), updating it has always been seamless though
Re: Chimera Linux works toward a simplified desktop
#87> Chimera's recommended desktop is GNOME But that's the opposite of a simplified desktop
GNOME? It is super simple. I have used Fedora/GNOME on my elderly family members laptops for many years now, and they just get it. Even the ones who came from Windows 10. The hours I spend on support has dropped significantly. Windows is such a hassel, and its desktop design philosophy is just not that great for casual users.
I tried to use GNOME for about 8 months but there was just too many WTF moments (one caused by Ubuntu's own dock extension). There's plenty to love about GNOME but missing features, bugs, and design/usability issues makes it feel like beta quality software.
A few months ago, someone wrote a blog post[1] cataloguing many of these issues. One thing not mentioned was the lack of a caps/num lock on-screen indicator, this is a feature that is present in GNOME 2, MATE, XFCE, Cinnamon, KDE, and Windows 7/8/10/11 out of the box and toggleable in their settings window. The only way to gain this functionality in GNOME is through a third-party extension. Many laptops continue to be manufactured without a caps/num lock indicator on their keyboard, it's insane this isn't a supported feature in GNOME.
I don't get the feeling that GNOME team has ever implemented accessibility research in their design choices. For those with disabilities, GNOME is unnecessarily difficult to use [2][3].
[1]: https://woltman.com/gnome-bad/
[2]: https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/s3vvot/state_of_acce...
[3]: https://lobste.rs/s/3bdlpn/thread_on_deterioration_accessibi...
Re: Chimera Linux works toward a simplified desktop
#88Simplified desktop doesn’t very clearly map to “very text oriented, barebones Linux UI“. I was expecting something more like the ststem76 Pop OS kinda thing when I read this.
Niri would be a simplified desktop to me https://github.com/YaLTeR/niri
Niri is my daily driver. I absolutely love it. Couldn’t switch back to any other approach to window management.
Re: Chimera Linux works toward a simplified desktop
#89“Simplified desktop”…go to their website, literally no pictures of the desktop interface (at least on mobile). Everyone who makes software, always follow this formula on your homepage: clearly state what problem exists without your software, show your software, clearly state what problems go away with your software, then describe its actual features
Towards a “simplified desktop Linux distribution”, not a “simplified Desktop Environment”.
The screenshot could be GNOME, KDE, or something else. It would not help you understand what Chimera Linux is trying to achieve.
Re: Chimera Linux works toward a simplified desktop
#90I assumed this was a post about ChimeraOS, a gaming focused Linux distro, but it seems this is talking about a totally different Linux distribution with the same name.
Chimera OS: https://chimeraos.org/
Chimera Linux: https://chimera-linux.org/