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Re: French police free kidnapped Ledger executive

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This shows another of the many ways in which a having a trusted third party involved in your finances is actually a good thing.

Arguably the feature that makes kidnappings for ransom unattractive isn't necessarily traditional banks being trusted, but rather that traditional bank transfers are usually reversible (e.g. due to a court order).

That’s part of what makes them trustworthy.

Re: French police free kidnapped Ledger executive

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> Under his leadership, the company has sold more than seven million hardware wallets worldwide, maintaining a perfect security record with no successful breaches of their devices. yeah uhhhhhh, what about all of their newsletter subs and device sales shipping data though? I wonder if he got one of the threatening ransom letters in the mail and didn't pay because they said it was a scam? https://www.bitdefender.com/e…

Yea, I bought a Ledger for a project I was working on in 2017. It invited hundreds of phishing emails over the years. Scum company.

Re: French police free kidnapped Ledger executive

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> Only newer currencies you could lock your money into a smart contract, Bitcoin literally has timelockS (multiple kinds) built-in in its scripting since its first release...

I'd believe that necessary primitives are out there, but it's not really enough to have a solution in theory. A crypto project will have to stop such things in practice before they can legitimately claim to have obsoleted the banks.

It’s been implemented, for example: https://github.com/wizardsardine/liana

Re: French police free kidnapped Ledger executive

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Crypto will not be ready for mainstream until effective game-theoretic countermeasures for this kind of thing are built into the protocols.

When cryptocurrency comes to depend on all the trust anchors of the fiat monetary system, the naive reimplementation will be feature-complete.

>the naive reimplementation will be feature-complete

good point, but you're not taking into account the deflationary spiral

Re: French police free kidnapped Ledger executive

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I think I’m surprised this doesn’t happen more often. Maybe I underestimate how good the police are at prevention of this crime.

I believe that's happening more often than before but it's probably not always documented. Last summer, a 25 year old crypto influencer got kidnapped and his body was found in my neighborhood a few months ago. [1] [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/kevin-mirshahi-ident...

Interesting, it was a woman was arrested for the murder and kidnapping and was apparently connected to a street gang. Surprisingly she still got bail: https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justice-et-faits-divers/2...

Re: French police free kidnapped Ledger executive

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Crypto will not be ready for mainstream until effective game-theoretic countermeasures for this kind of thing are built into the protocols.

This shows another of the many ways in which a having a trusted third party involved in your finances is actually a good thing.

Or you could see it as an argument for the second amendment. Would someone have attempted this against an executive based in Texas? I don’t think so.

Re: French police free kidnapped Ledger executive

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How does the government of France decide whether your kidnapping is worth sending military tactical teams to rescue you?

About half of the police force is military in the first place (Gendarmerie). It's typically split between the purely civilian National Police (urban areas) and Gendamerie (everywhere else).

In any case, if there is any sort of kidnapping or hostage taking they send the tactical units.

To foreigners, GIGN is perhaps best known for being one of the counter-terrorist teams in the Counter Strike game.

Here's an example of an intervention, a video where they shoot in a guy's leg (long distance, with a submachine gun...), to prevent him from shooting himself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bx5PRqYAig

Re: French police free kidnapped Ledger executive

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Crypto will not be ready for mainstream until effective game-theoretic countermeasures for this kind of thing are built into the protocols.

How does a game theoretic protocol stop someone extorting your friends into paying a ransom for your life? They weren't trying to get into his wallets, but getting his rich friends and relations to pay.

Crypto aside, kidnappings for ransom are already embedded in a game theoretic protocol. The weights involved (e.g. the amount and probability of payout, the likelihood that you'll actually get to spend that payout, the penalty and probability of being captured, the likelihood of cooperation of victim and friends) are all determined via policy choices made by the state; these are things like regulating banks or making spending decisions re: policing and other such things. They determine how probable the crime is.

The cryptocurrency proposition is that that solution can be improved upon without implicitly trusting the state. I don't have that solution myself, but I'm not convinced that it can't exist. We'll know they've found it when these things stop happening, and it starts feeling like the riskier thing is to keep your money in a bank. Or maybe what they come up with doesn't feel like money at all, who knows.

When I try to imagine such a protocol, it involves a web of trust and crowd-sourced metadata such that people can refuse to accept coins which don't also come with proof that they're involved in activity that those people consent to. (A deficiency of dollars being that when I accept one I have no idea whether the loan that created it is for a venture that helps me or harms me, or whether the previous owner got it as a kidnapping ransom).

In such a scenario, the ransomed coins become useless without a backstory that identifies them to the recipient as non-harmful. If that backstory becomes prohibitively difficult to fabricate, then perhaps the crime doesn't happen.

Re: French police free kidnapped Ledger executive

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> If you don't trust Ledger – how much do you trust your VPN provider? They know both your original IP and what you're doing on the Internet (or at least to which services you're connecting). Well, the big difference (for what OP is worried about) is that two distinct companies would need to be compromised instead of just the one.

Exactly, and ip address does not give precise location (unless a third company, the ISP, is also compromised).

IP address is often resolvable to a precise location, given access to databases maintained by surveillance capitalism entities. I think parent said the second party that would have to be compromised is a VPN provider, assuming that's being used to hide the relatively insecure ISP assigned IP address.
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