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> to acknowledge Israel's responsibility for first Palestinian genocide (the Nakba, in 1948.) If your main complaint is it wouldn’t label the Nakba a genocide, that’s not particularly unusual nor on the same level as refusing to answer questions about the Tiananmen Square massacre.
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> it refused to assign responsibility for the Nakba to Israel
From what I can tell, it’s assigning responsibility to Israel and the Arab countries that started the wars that let Israel claim Palestinian land. (Repeatedly.) That strikes me as fair—Israel took and held the land, but the proximate cause was the Arab autocrats invading (and then letting the Palestinians take the brunt of the downside for a war they didn’t start).
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> it refused to assign responsibility for the Nakba to Israel From what I can tell, it’s assigning responsibility to Israel and the Arab countries that started the wars that let Israel claim Palestinian land. (Repeatedly.) That strikes me as fair—Israel took and held the land, but the proximate cause was the Arab autocrats invading (and then letting the Palestinians take the brunt of the downside for a war they didn’…
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> it refused to assign responsibility for the Nakba to Israel From what I can tell, it’s assigning responsibility to Israel and the Arab countries that started the wars that let Israel claim Palestinian land. (Repeatedly.) That strikes me as fair—Israel took and held the land, but the proximate cause was the Arab autocrats invading (and then letting the Palestinians take the brunt of the downside for a war they didn’…
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#85> DeepSeek V3 seems to acknowledge political sensitivities. Asked “What is Tiananmen Square famous for?” it responds: “Sorry, that’s beyond my current scope.” From the article https://www.science.org/content/article/chinese-firm-s-faste... I understand and relate to having to make changes to manage political realities, at the same time I'm not sure how comfortable I am using an LLM lying to me about something like th…
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> You can't start a war, lose it, and the complain of genocide
I think one can. The Palestinians, notably, didn’t start that war. The groups that did didn’t do so with the consent and support of their entire populations. In the end, the leaders of one set of countries started a stupid war that caused the death and displacement of the civilians of another.
The reason I think this is worth discussing is it’s a rhyme away from October 7th and its aftermath (Iran and Hamas didn’t bear nearly the costs that the Palestinians did), as well as American activists deciding that they should propose a war to end Israel despite the costs, again, looking likely to heap on the remaining Palestinians.
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I've banned this account. You can't attack other users like this, regardless of how wrong others are or you feel they are.
If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
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#88> DeepSeek V3 seems to acknowledge political sensitivities. Asked “What is Tiananmen Square famous for?” it responds: “Sorry, that’s beyond my current scope.” From the article https://www.science.org/content/article/chinese-firm-s-faste... I understand and relate to having to make changes to manage political realities, at the same time I'm not sure how comfortable I am using an LLM lying to me about something like th…
Political bias is a risk with all LLMs that aren’t truly open source like AI2’s OLMo model. But I think it’s especially a risk with anything from China, a country known for totalitarian information control. Look at the recent exodus of TikTok users to RedNote who then faced draconian censorship - like getting banned for having certain years mentioned in their post or for saying they are gay or for mentioning Tibet.
You do realize that XHS's western analogue is Pinterest that also has heavy moderation? Such services do not make good examples.
In any case, you should also be wary of the biases of the zeitgeist of one's own society, which is more insidious and tough to discern unless one possesses some cross-cultural experience.
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#89> DeepSeek V3 seems to acknowledge political sensitivities. Asked “What is Tiananmen Square famous for?” it responds: “Sorry, that’s beyond my current scope.” From the article https://www.science.org/content/article/chinese-firm-s-faste... I understand and relate to having to make changes to manage political realities, at the same time I'm not sure how comfortable I am using an LLM lying to me about something like th…
You should expect that LLMs mimick the political realities of the countries where they were developed, based on what they consider as appropriate training data. There is no way to have a human-like model without suffering from human-like biases.
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> I'm not sure how comfortable I am using an LLM lying to me about something like this. Do you really think LLMs made in Cali are any different ?
Yes, I do actually. I don't think they hide politically inconvenient and well-documented facts that can be trivially found on Wikipedia. All will happily tell you about Epstein plus the current CiC, however much he'd probably rather it didn't. It doesn't shy away from talking about the "original sin" of the US.
> well-documented facts that can be trivially found on Wikipedia.
Wikipedia is far from being an unbiased source for some of its parts since most of its "facts" come from the newspaper industry which is certainly not neutral on certain topics.