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Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by immibis »

phkahler wrote: post #18
debo_ wrote: post #3

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He isn't boycotting. He is planning to peacefully protest, which I think is reasonable.

>> He isn't boycotting. He is planning to peacefully protest, which I think is reasonable. No. He's planning to forcefully disrupt by blocking the stage. Narcissistic to the core: "My views and need for attention are more important than the other 8000 people here who may want to see this talk."

Jack Dorsey would be free to say anything he wants outside of the stage, like Jordan Peterson once did, or pinned to the top of Bluesky, or to any mainstream media outlet of his choice, or on prime-time TV, or so on.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

whamlastxmas wrote: post #73
michaelt wrote: post #37

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If you think that's bad, wait until you hear about how many unpaid volunteers are running FOSDEM as a "free and non-commercial event"

I hope those volunteers decline to volunteer their time to setup and run jacks presentation then

I hope that they do whatever they personally feel is an appropriate use of their time, and that know-it-alls in the crowd don’t try and ruin anything that the volunteers do end up deciding is worth working hard to set up.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by baggy_trough »

mcpar-land wrote: post #33
baggy_trough wrote: post #8

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he's not preventing Jack Dorsey from doing anything. Jack Dorsey has enough money to buy FOSDEM, the building FOSDEM takes place in, and give every person who would have attended FOSDEM enough money to retire, and still be a billionaire afterwards. He can carry out a talk anywhere, at any time.

The first and last sentences are incorrect. I don't know about the middle one.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by duxup »

einpoklum wrote: post #58

I would not approve of having a Billionaire keynote a FOSS conference based on his business ventures. However, the author says that billionaires should: > instead buy our respect by, say, donating 250 million dollars to NLNet > or the Sovereign Tech Fund and then, he would have our respect? Hmm. I was later reminded of this phrase when reading author also laments how > Dorsey sold Twitter to Elon Musk, selling the pl…

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Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by throw5959 »

wormlord wrote: post #76
whamlastxmas wrote: post #59

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He doesn’t do that. People who don’t like him claim that he does without any basis to it, and you’re perpetuating this hyperbole by claiming it as fact when the very thing you linked doesn’t even go that far. Musk sucks, attack him for valid reasons like racism instead of some made up bullshit about cheating at video games.

He literally does do that. Top-level players of the game have called him out for it. They have tracked his time with an API. It is actually mathematically impossible to be at his level in POE-- you would have to be a top-tier player and play nonstop for 20+ hrs a day. People who like Musk aren't going to care that he is racist, they will argue about what actually constitutes as racism (erm pushes up glasses --actuall…

Where does he lie about a video game? Maybe he has someone boost his level. Did he say it's not true? Just doing that can have many reasons - maybe he likes a shiny number there, wants a bigger challenge, more fun because of higher level and more items or whatever.

Just playing on an account that I didn't level up myself is not lying. I know that some competitive amateur players think it's the end of the world but no, nobody cares.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

whamlastxmas wrote: post #78
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #62

> Dorsey is presumably being platformed in Janson because his blockchain bullshit company is a main sponsor of FOSDEM this year. This part just isn’t true. Does the author think that Block is a blockchain company?

It definitely is in terms of product offerings, though it’s not their main money maker

I guess, but it feels more than a little like calling Amazon a video streaming company. I don’t think someone who understood that Block is Square would identify it this way.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by throw5959 »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #79
throw5959 wrote: post #61

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I called him crazy myself (and I do think it's true), to illustrate that I am aware of his antics and it's not a reason to stop listening.

Right, but you replied to the parent , not yourself , and the parent didn't call him "crazy", they simply pointed out that he is hostile to workers (he is). It's sad that people can see a good thing and think it cancels out all bad things

I'm trying to say that it doesn't cancel but that doesn't mean I won't listen.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by wormlord »

throw5959 wrote: post #72
wormlord wrote: post #69

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> All engineers and other professionals told him that landing rockets is bullshit Every company has some kind of mythology where someone says "you'll never make it in this town!". The reality is that uncrewed propulsive landing was technologically feasible since the soviets landed a rover on the moon. NASA propulsively landed a rover on Mars back in 2011. Like I said, listening to billionaires is probably interesting…

Sorry but no, this is absolutely not what happened. I am watching it closely ever since SpaceX was founded in 2002. There is an incredible gap between the tech demo you're speaking about, and actually landing a heavy orbital rocket, and then doing it 100 times in a row without a hiccup. Mars is completely off topic, as they didn't land the booster there. We had Space Shuttle before and it didn't say much about landin…

> Sorry but no, this is absolutely not what happened

What didn't happen? I didn't provide you a narrative, I gave 2 examples of uncrewed propulsive landing which literally happened.

> There is an incredible gap between the tech demo you're speaking about, and actually landing a heavy orbital rocket, and then doing it 100 times in a row without a hiccup.

I agree. Now please point to me which part of the self-landing booster Elon built.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by Thorrez »

wormlord wrote: post #15

I don't know how someone could look at Dorsey/Musk/Bezos actions and still be interested in what they have to say. There's probably a lot to be learned from someone who worships money, assuming that your goal is to emulate them. However their lifestyle and ideology is inherently dangerous to workers and life on earth as we know it. So yeah I don't really care what they have to say beyond knowing how the enemy views t…

Elon Musk is concerned about climate change, and created Telsa to lead the migration to electric cars to help combat climate change. That seems like a positive impact to life on earth.

Re: No Billionares at FOSDEM

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Post by throw5959 »

wormlord wrote: post #88
throw5959 wrote: post #72

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Sorry but no, this is absolutely not what happened. I am watching it closely ever since SpaceX was founded in 2002. There is an incredible gap between the tech demo you're speaking about, and actually landing a heavy orbital rocket, and then doing it 100 times in a row without a hiccup. Mars is completely off topic, as they didn't land the booster there. We had Space Shuttle before and it didn't say much about landin…

> Sorry but no, this is absolutely not what happened What didn't happen? I didn't provide you a narrative, I gave 2 examples of uncrewed propulsive landing which literally happened. > There is an incredible gap between the tech demo you're speaking about, and actually landing a heavy orbital rocket, and then doing it 100 times in a row without a hiccup. I agree. Now please point to me which part of the self-landing b…

I told you what didn't happen - the situation wasn't as clear as you say. Everybody in the space industry was absolutely sure he is totally crazy and it's impossible to do with an entire first/second stage rocket booster.

He built the company that built the booster, which to me is at least as interesting as building the booster itself.

It's not just about money - Bezos has much more money available than SpaceX had in 2002-2015, and yet his rockets still don't land.

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