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Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by halflife »

Cyph0n wrote: post #26
steviedotboston wrote: post #15

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Hamas has been considerably weakened. Their arsenal of rockets and weapons is depleted. At the beginning of the war thousands of rockets were being shot into Israel and now there are very few and the ones that are are quite crude. Hezbollah entered the war immediately and said the only way they would exit is if Hamas exists. Israel retaliated, killed their leader, decimated their forces, and negotiated a ceasefire th…

Perhaps weakened them from an equipment & infrastructure standpoint - along with the rest of Gaza - but not from a manpower standpoint: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-01-14/blinken-s... The right way to fight an independence movement is to either do so from within/in a more targeted fashion, or barring that, meet their demands in some shape or form. Escalating the violence to the point where you’re dest…

The difference being that the new manpower has zero experience, is mostly kids and has no leadership. They reverted from a terrorist army, to an unorganized guerilla

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by halflife »

jsheard wrote: post #74
Jarwain wrote: post #58

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What was Oct 7th retaliation to, exactly?

It's a mystery: https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/16516.jpeg None of this started on Oct 7th, the inciting incident was the founding of Israel itself on top of an existing state with an existing population who were violently expelled to make way. Everything else is just ongoing fallout from that.

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by dotancohen »

jsheard wrote: post #74
Jarwain wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What was Oct 7th retaliation to, exactly?

It's a mystery: https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/16516.jpeg None of this started on Oct 7th, the inciting incident was the founding of Israel itself on top of an existing state with an existing population who were violently expelled to make way. Everything else is just ongoing fallout from that.

What existing state was Israel founded on top of?

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by trhway »

Cyph0n wrote: post #26
steviedotboston wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hamas has been considerably weakened. Their arsenal of rockets and weapons is depleted. At the beginning of the war thousands of rockets were being shot into Israel and now there are very few and the ones that are are quite crude. Hezbollah entered the war immediately and said the only way they would exit is if Hamas exists. Israel retaliated, killed their leader, decimated their forces, and negotiated a ceasefire th…

Perhaps weakened them from an equipment & infrastructure standpoint - along with the rest of Gaza - but not from a manpower standpoint: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-01-14/blinken-s... The right way to fight an independence movement is to either do so from within/in a more targeted fashion, or barring that, meet their demands in some shape or form. Escalating the violence to the point where you’re dest…

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Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by jedimind »

Jarwain wrote: post #58
hmcq6 wrote: post #30

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What was Oct 7th retaliation to, exactly?

>What was Oct 7th retaliation to, exactly?

I would say 75+ years of Zionist terrorism[1][2][3], ethnic-cleansing, apartheid, being locked up in a concentration camp. I mean you could have looked those up yourself but something tells me you just didn't care to look it up.

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20231029055310/ojp.gov/ncjrs/vir... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_extremist_terrorism

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by xg15 »

jsheard wrote: post #74
Jarwain wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What was Oct 7th retaliation to, exactly?

It's a mystery: https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/16516.jpeg None of this started on Oct 7th, the inciting incident was the founding of Israel itself on top of an existing state with an existing population who were violently expelled to make way. Everything else is just ongoing fallout from that.

To be fair, there was no existing state, except the Ottoman empire which was defeated and dismantled in WWI. There was however an existing population who never got any say in what happened with their own land.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by throwaway7783 »

zazazache wrote: post #49
throwaway7783 wrote: post #20

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100% support ceasefire. 100% agree Israel overdid it. 100% support Hamas must cease to exist. Don't leave that last part out

What is different from Hamas right to exist compared to the IDF or Likud? Hamas certainly has less blood on their hands!

I know you are being downvoted (not by me). This is a good question, if all the context and history is removed, and we are only looking at who killed more.

I am trying to respond in good faith, but it looks like Hamas is accepted across the world as a terrorist organization for specifically targeting civilians. And as much as I loathe the loss of civilian life at the hands of IDF, this is not a conventional war, and Hamas hiding within civilian populations and tunneling under hospitals is on Hamas and not on IDF. Like it happened in history a million times, Hamas could've surrendered against a superior enemy and and returned hostages, to protect its own citizens.

So, that's why Hamas must cease to exist. Not Palestine itself, nor another government in Palestine - just Hamas. They could've stopped it, they didn't.

Let me know when IDF/Likud behave like this unprovoked (Yes, I know what's going on in West bank and its not remotely close to what Hamas did)

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by hmcq6 »

golergka wrote: post #72
FireBeyond wrote: post #38

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> Israel's main adversary is Iran. They are the ones who fund and supply Hamas Well, Israel started and has been funding Hamas (I'm assuming, but who knows, that it stopped with this war) since the PLO/Arafat days to the tune of (at times tens of) millions a month.

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> According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...

You're literally doing revisionist history right now.

Re: Israel, Hamas reach ceasefire deal to end 15 months of war in Gaza

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Post by cbeach »

jfactorial wrote: post #67
cbeach wrote: post #46

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Which nation's constitution is built upon the annihilation of Israel?

It’s a fair point if you disagree, like I do, that Hamas’s Palestine is a nation.

But the Hamas Charter makes alarming reading:

https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm

Some excerpts:

'The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.' (Article 7)

'The land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [Holy Possession] consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. No one can renounce it or any part, or abandon it or any part of it.'

(Article 11)

'Palestine is an Islamic land... Since this is the case, the

Liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Moslem wherever he may be.' (Article 13)

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Hamas are genocidal religious supremacists. Just because they haven’t succeeded in destroying the Jewish state doesn’t mean that they’re the peaceful victims in all of this. If they had access to weapons of mass destruction they would use them without a second thought. Read the Charter

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