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Re: GitHub Git Operations Are Down

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Post by eru »

nine_k wrote: post #49
crest wrote: post #13

It's almost as if only Git is distributed, but people sold out to Github for convenience. Too bad Git lacks a distributed bug tracker and wiki system like Fossil. Guess Github has to fail a lot more for things to change.

Yes, conveniences like: - A canonical name and place on the web; - Access policy enforcement (who can commit and when); - The whole pull request thing, with tags, issues, review, discussion, etc linked to it; - Code review, linked to said policy enforcement; - Issue tracking, even as basic as what GitHub offers; - A trusted store for signing keys, so commits are verified; - CI/CD triggers and runners; - A page with r…

> - Access policy enforcement (who can commit and when);

Interestingly, what GitHub mostly enforces is where your branches point to. Not who can make commits. That's mostly because of how git works, not because of any grand design on GitHub's part.

Re: GitHub Git Operations Are Down

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Post by dangoodmanUT »

sixo wrote: post #19
crest wrote: post #13

It's almost as if only Git is distributed, but people sold out to Github for convenience. Too bad Git lacks a distributed bug tracker and wiki system like Fossil. Guess Github has to fail a lot more for things to change.

people could not be more clear that their preference is for reliable and easy-to-use centralized services maintained by professionals, and not decentralized systems that require a great deal of user expertise

this, especially if it's a business

Re: GitHub Git Operations Are Down

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Post by bastardoperator »

crest wrote: post #13

It's almost as if only Git is distributed, but people sold out to Github for convenience. Too bad Git lacks a distributed bug tracker and wiki system like Fossil. Guess Github has to fail a lot more for things to change.

It's this type of negativity ruining the internet. Nothing thoughtful to say, nothing to add, and hoping for failure. I hope everything is okay over there...

Re: GitHub Git Operations Are Down

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Post by eru »

TZubiri wrote: post #61
adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know anyone beyond hobbyist hackers who want to set up and maintain this stuff for themselves. As a professional software developer, I want tools that just work that I can rely on. GitHub 99.99% uptime is something I can rely on.

As a professional software developer, you rely on software written by those hobbyist hackers. Whenever you do a clone or an npm install or apt get or pip install, etc... You choose github because your dependencies chose git

Sure, but as you say those hobbyist developers aren't responsible for keeping a specific server up. They are 'just' writing some software.

(And even among professionals, there's a big difference between Site Reliability Engineering and Software Engineering.)

Re: GitHub Git Operations Are Down

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Post by eru »

fragmede wrote: post #63
adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know anyone beyond hobbyist hackers who want to set up and maintain this stuff for themselves. As a professional software developer, I want tools that just work that I can rely on. GitHub 99.99% uptime is something I can rely on.

It was down for ~45 mins according to the linked page page, which would put it at 99.897% uptime for the month, assuming no other downtime.

They had some more downtime a few days ago, too. And that's just the one I happened to notice.

Re: GitHub Git Operations Are Down

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Post by bluGill »

nine_k wrote: post #49
crest wrote: post #13

It's almost as if only Git is distributed, but people sold out to Github for convenience. Too bad Git lacks a distributed bug tracker and wiki system like Fossil. Guess Github has to fail a lot more for things to change.

Yes, conveniences like: - A canonical name and place on the web; - Access policy enforcement (who can commit and when); - The whole pull request thing, with tags, issues, review, discussion, etc linked to it; - Code review, linked to said policy enforcement; - Issue tracking, even as basic as what GitHub offers; - A trusted store for signing keys, so commits are verified; - CI/CD triggers and runners; - A page with r…

The above is why my company left mercurial years ago for git. Mercurial of 10 years ago was better version control than git (git still can't track a branch and how it changes) - but the rest of github is much better.

Re: GitHub Git Operations Are Down

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Post by jcims »

Tangential at best but I work in a regulated industry and we're starting to get some heavy scrutiny from external auditors and regulators on the way we plan to address extended outages and forced exits from third party vendors. This goes beyond basic DR/BCP and plans are reviewed with at least a high level scenario exercise.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2023/06/09/2023-12...

On the surface a product like managed git repos would seem to be relatively straightforward to deal with, but these same regulated firms are also under tremendous scrutiny for access management, change management, SDLC, etc etc. They also have a huge software footprint which just increases the impact.

Self-hosting is obviously the traditional answer, but that's not exactly a simple one either.

Just an interesting problem.

Re: GitHub Git Operations Are Down

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Post by gerdesj »

adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #53
crest wrote: post #13

It's almost as if only Git is distributed, but people sold out to Github for convenience. Too bad Git lacks a distributed bug tracker and wiki system like Fossil. Guess Github has to fail a lot more for things to change.

I don’t know anyone beyond hobbyist hackers who want to set up and maintain this stuff for themselves. As a professional software developer, I want tools that just work that I can rely on. GitHub 99.99% uptime is something I can rely on.

A bloke called Linus Thorvalds created git for Linux development when the commercial service used for that ceased to be useful, for one non technical reason or another.

github basically shoves a webby frontend and workflows on top of someone else's work. That's all fine and good but github is not git.

As a professional IT consultant, I want tools, I use lots of other's and I also create my own and I also generally insist on hosting my own. I'm also a fair carpenter and several other trades. I have tools for all my trades and I look after all of them. That way I can guarantee quality - or at least reproducible and documented quality.

I'm sure you are fine with abrogating responsibility for stuff that you are not able to deal with - that's all good: Your choice.

EDIT: Sorry, forgot to say: "Yay cloud"

Re: GitHub Git Operations Are Down

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Post by eru »

atonse wrote: post #66
itsjustjordan wrote: post #22

I was going insane doubting my SSH knowledge, stopped short of creating new keys thankfully!

I thought my account was hacked and ssh keys removed. Panicked a little bit and then double checked that my keys were still there. Then went to github status and calmed down.

I briefly entertained the notion that I was fired and my ssh keys revoked. But I still had access to slack and email etc, so I banished that thought.
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