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I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by rollcat »

jwilk wrote: post #69
rollcat wrote: post #23

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IMHO good riddance. The VGA console is about as useful as the serial console - your escape hatch when everything else fails. If you're allergic to X11/Wayland, the framebuffer console is much more featureful (it displays cute penguins in the top left corner!) But (again, IMHO) you can also just run alacritty in cage or a patched dwm. Comes useful when somebody sends you a cat picture.

There's no scrollback on fbcon either.

Either way, bike shedding. The serial console doesn't have "native" scrollback either - it must be provided by your own terminal emulator.

Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by znpy »

notpublic wrote: post #20
znpy wrote: post #15

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> They've got podman now:) honest question: is it any stable? I ask because last time I read about podman on FreeBSD it was at like alpha/pre-beta stage of development.

I have been using it for more than a year now in both production and at home. So far so good. Even GPU works out of the box in rootless mode without requiring any special privileges. edit: Redhat in production and Debian at home

Yeah podman on linux is so old it's not even a news anymore.

My question was about podman on FreeBSD.

Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by mordae »

The guy had issue with iproute2 replacing ifconfig? I mean, the first time I've learned about iproute2 I've switched and never looked back. It's so much better.

And SystemD again? Oh noes.

Reminds me of a guy who was stuck on GRUB and used LILO about the time grub2 was released.

Some people are weird. No idea why is this on HN.

Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by ruthmarx »

seba_dos1 wrote: post #77
blueflow wrote: post #66

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Debian is supposed to be stable, but the last time apt hosed itself is barely two weeks ago. The suggestion with the bug sensitivity is belittling, cut that out.

I've seen pacman and opkg hose themselves. I've never seen apt & dpkg hose itself since 2006 when I started using it. Usually when people say that it's hosed, it's actually successfully detecting and preventing breakage to the system that other package managers would happily let you commit, and it's allowing you to unwrap and fix stuff without having to hose the whole system and start from scratch. I have utmost resp…

What does apt do that pacman doesn't?

Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by ruthmarx »

I thought this post was going to be about avoiding using a GUI at all. 20 years ago or so I was running linux that way for a bit, just with every different take on a different virtual terminal. Mplayer playing video to the framebuffer if I need it, one terminal for mp3blaster, a couple of terminals for coding/editing etc. If I really needed it I could have a gui on one terminal for browsing also.

I still see people doing that kind of thing nowadays, but I mostly think it's an oddity or a quirk. GUI makes the same thing simpler without any downsides.

As for staying in the linux console in general, it's so much more efficient for so many things once you know, but it's not always superior, and it's odd to me there will always be people who argue that it is.

> There's no longer the same level of passion around which people wage wars over which Linux distribution is best.

Yeah, that was always kind of weird, not to mention the many contrarian BSD users. All the linux distros found their niche, and most now are a variation of some other distro with a different default desktop environment. These days the religious war is over systemd I think.

> Some people find it easier to select files to copy with the mouse in Nautilus, while others prefer to use the cp ~/photos/{photo,video}_*.{jpeg,jpg,JPG,avi} /media/BACKUP

This just depends on the use case. Trying to select photos containing a certain person only named numerically is much easier in a gui with thumbnails than on console.

Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by cyberpunk »

redundantly wrote: post #29
homebrewer wrote: post #24

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I think the question was about using podman on FreeBSD, which is the first time I'm hearing about it: https://docs.vultr.com/how-to-install-podman-on-freebsd-14-0 Looks like it isn't using virtualization (unlike the crutches forced on users of the two major commercial OSes), which is great.

It can't run Linux based images, you have to find images compatible with FreeBSD or build your own.

I thought FreeBSD has a functional Linux emulation layer?

Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by the-grump »

blueflow wrote: post #66
the-grump wrote: post #61

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Distro matters a lot for kernel regressions. I run arch and so I bump into those once in a blue moon but it's rare. Debian runs older versions so you miss recent bug fixes but at the same time you should see minimal regressions. Pick your poison. You might be extra sensitive to bugs. I'm that way too but at least I can fix them when I have the source. I also only use a few apps (Firefox, eMacs, VLC, gimp) and i3 as m…

Debian is supposed to be stable, but the last time apt hosed itself is barely two weeks ago. The suggestion with the bug sensitivity is belittling, cut that out.

How is it belittling when I told you I'm that way too.

What I'll actually cut out is responding. Good luck with your bugs.

Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by arccy »

jayd16 wrote: post #35
the-grump wrote: post #18

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First, what distro are you on? Second, have you tried windows or macOS recently?

Hey Windows it's pretty nice since they added built in Linux vms.

as in windows is nice when you ignore the windows bits and run a linux vm (what WSL2 is).

Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by ajross »

I remain amazed that my dinosaur "shells and editors" workflow, which I've been using more or less unchanged for 30+ years and which really dates from the very earliest Unix GUIs on things like Sun 3's...

... remains genuinely preferable to any other tooling that's come along since. Obviously lots of people disagree and will stick to their full screen VSCode Windows or whatever and that's fine. But... a lot of people agree with me too! After four decades!

Really, a (very privileged) geek running a new emacs build on a 3/60 in 1986 or whatever was operating a development environment that wouldn't need significant improvement until at least her grandchildrens' careers. That's pretty amazing.

Re: I spent 18 years in the Linux console

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Post by arccy »

rollcat wrote: post #21
znpy wrote: post #15

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> They've got podman now:) honest question: is it any stable? I ask because last time I read about podman on FreeBSD it was at like alpha/pre-beta stage of development.

The Docker client (cli) is easy to port - it's mostly just an elaborate frontend to the socket/API. Every other OS just runs Linux in a VM. Focusing on integrating the VM with the usual development workflow is the lowest hanging fruit, provides the best ROI, and is relatively future-proof. Unless you mean running containers in production - I think OCI is a much better target in that case.

oci is just the image spec.

there's cri which describe a runtime api, but you still need an implementation for it, like containerd, cri-o, etc.

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