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A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by freehorse »

fishbacon wrote: post #71
vindex10 wrote: post #66

I used Kagi for a year. It was a great experience, no ads, decent search results. I quit recently, when I discovered that they integrate with Yandex. I think it is unacceptable in the todays reality. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42349797 https://kagifeedback.org/d/5445-reconsider-yandex-integratio...

Kagi seems to genuinly have a good mission when it comes to the internet. I want small web search. I want good results. I will pay for search! I do not want to support Russia.

And I do not want my search experience and product I pay for be dictated by US foreign policy and relations in a given time. Why should a search engine company get involved in international relationship affairs?

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by throwaway290 »

unlikelymordant wrote: post #76
wahnfrieden wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

intext: and quoting solves this…

I haven't found quoting helps much. I also feel like i shouldnt have to craft search queries with a lot of inurl or other tags or quoting. Kagi just seems to work better. Its worth 10$ a month to me to not have to worry about it, I use search engines a lot.

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Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by tessierashpool9 »

vindex10 wrote: post #79
tessierashpool9 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that's a pretty indirect contribution. if we start to boycott companies because of what is done with the taxes they pay then there won't be many companies left to use or do business with.

The country has literally started the war and keeps killing people. Is it not enough to boycott any relationship with it, especially those from which it benefits financially?

as far as my observations go it's a little more complicated than russia started the war and apart from that life is not just about politics but also about mundane practicalities.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by abc123abc123 »

I use duckduckgo and I get great search results. To get summaries of stuff that interesting, but not important, I use duck.ai, perplexity.ai or iask.ai.

Since I am happy with the searches, and it takes very little time, I do not want to pay 10 USD per month.

I do find it interesting that so many people have such great problems with their searches, but I suspect it is because they are searching for very complicated programming problems. Maybe then, duckduckgo does not work.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by hooli_gan »

abc123abc123 wrote: post #84

I use duckduckgo and I get great search results. To get summaries of stuff that interesting, but not important, I use duck.ai, perplexity.ai or iask.ai. Since I am happy with the searches, and it takes very little time, I do not want to pay 10 USD per month. I do find it interesting that so many people have such great problems with their searches, but I suspect it is because they are searching for very complicated pr…

For me duckduckgo works great for programming stuff, but for searching local events and restaurants it does not perform as good.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by nottorp »

Kokouane wrote: post #2

Kagi is a tough pill to swallow. Their search is hands down the best around, there's no other way around it. That being said, $10/mo is also expensive. The workaround I found is using Kagi Ultimate. I get access to Claude (and I'm still able to attach files + access a dozen other LLMs) for $25/mo, so I was able to cancel Claude and keep Kagi and get the best of both worlds from either product. Side note: incredible t…

> Side note: incredible that a small team like Kagi's can somehow use LLMs more effectively in search than a company that has years of search experience (i.e. Google)

But Google is not a search company. It used to be, but now it's an ad company. I'm sure their LLM use serves their purposes right.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by llamaimperative »

throwaway290 wrote: post #82
unlikelymordant wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't found quoting helps much. I also feel like i shouldnt have to craft search queries with a lot of inurl or other tags or quoting. Kagi just seems to work better. Its worth 10$ a month to me to not have to worry about it, I use search engines a lot.

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Have you used Kagi? It’s easily 10x if not 100x better than Google.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by nottorp »

david38 wrote: post #74
Kokouane wrote: post #2

Kagi is a tough pill to swallow. Their search is hands down the best around, there's no other way around it. That being said, $10/mo is also expensive. The workaround I found is using Kagi Ultimate. I get access to Claude (and I'm still able to attach files + access a dozen other LLMs) for $25/mo, so I was able to cancel Claude and keep Kagi and get the best of both worlds from either product. Side note: incredible t…

Is $10 really expensive? For most people, no. Can you think of $10/m you spend on something less important than search? A couple coffees, a sandwich, HBO, Netflix, a drink, using two gallons of gas recreationally, etc

How many coffees can you drink in a day? How many services and even standalone apps that don't use server resources want a measly 10/month from you?

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by llamaimperative »

freehorse wrote: post #81
fishbacon wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kagi seems to genuinly have a good mission when it comes to the internet. I want small web search. I want good results. I will pay for search! I do not want to support Russia.

And I do not want my search experience and product I pay for be dictated by US foreign policy and relations in a given time. Why should a search engine company get involved in international relationship affairs?

“Wars of aggression are bad” is more of a moral/ethical position than a US foreign policy position.

Re: A three month review of kagi search and the orion web browser (2024)

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Post by chronogamous »

david38 wrote: post #74
Kokouane wrote: post #2

Kagi is a tough pill to swallow. Their search is hands down the best around, there's no other way around it. That being said, $10/mo is also expensive. The workaround I found is using Kagi Ultimate. I get access to Claude (and I'm still able to attach files + access a dozen other LLMs) for $25/mo, so I was able to cancel Claude and keep Kagi and get the best of both worlds from either product. Side note: incredible t…

Is $10 really expensive? For most people, no. Can you think of $10/m you spend on something less important than search? A couple coffees, a sandwich, HBO, Netflix, a drink, using two gallons of gas recreationally, etc

Most people I know can afford some of the luxuries you list, but only barely. If you have to choose between having a drink once a month at a place other than your own home, and having an ad-free search engine that actually works, you'll find that many people are thick enough to go for that drink.

For context, this is speaking from the Netherlands, where housing is relatively expensive.

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