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Re: How to delete your Facebook account

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Post by hmcq6 »

wakawaka28 wrote: post #76
hmcq6 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Facebook tolerated groups where online dating users doxed and smeared each other. This hasn’t been proven as the case is still ongoing. Also the plaintiff in this case got arrested last year for tax fraud

People have documented it. I didn't know there was a lawsuit but these groups definitely existed and managed to continue at least for long enough for them to be exposed. There was at least one of these groups in several major cities.

> There was at least one of these groups in several major cities.

Is there an "are we dating the same guy?" group for every city? Sure I believe that. Do 100% of those groups commit Doxing? Well, that I'm not so sure of.

In fact, I've literally never heard of that before, it doesn't sound like the objective of the group. So I googled it and I found one case where a guy is arguing that people in the group manipulated his messages and so he's suing Meta for Doxing.

Also, if you read closely you might be confused like I was. Defamation is not Doxing.

So if you have evidence of Doxing in these groups I would love to see it.

Re: How to delete your Facebook account

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Post by batiudrami »

hagbard_c wrote: post #36

While I'm all on board with deleting Facebook accounts - and deleting Facebook itself - the timing of this push is odd. Now that Facebook claims to open up the platform for a wider view than just the desired narrative is the time to get rid of your account? Please explain to me how it was better to be held on a short leash than to be allowed to run out that leash a little bit. I never had a Facebook account and as su…

To be clear, you think the change to specifically allow (verbatim from the new Meta training materials)

““Immigrants are grubby, filthy pieces of shit,” “Jews are flat out greedier than Christians,” and “Trans people are immoral.””

is a net improvement?

Re: How to delete your Facebook account

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Post by wakawaka28 »

hmcq6 wrote: post #81
wakawaka28 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People have documented it. I didn't know there was a lawsuit but these groups definitely existed and managed to continue at least for long enough for them to be exposed. There was at least one of these groups in several major cities.

> There was at least one of these groups in several major cities. Is there an "are we dating the same guy?" group for every city? Sure I believe that. Do 100% of those groups commit Doxing? Well, that I'm not so sure of. In fact, I've literally never heard of that before, it doesn't sound like the objective of the group. So I googled it and I found one case where a guy is arguing that people in the group manipulated…

>Is there an "are we dating the same guy?" group for every city? Sure I believe that. Do 100% of those groups commit Doxing? Well, that I'm not so sure of.

That is literally the point of the group. They are violating the privacy of users on the regular, whether or not they actually give out whole names, addresses, or whatever. This WAS widely reported.

>Also, if you read closely you might be confused like I was. Defamation is not Doxing.

You have to correctly identify someone to effectively defame them. It's implied in the group name. That involves violating their privacy, which is essentially a form of doxxing (as far as dating online goes). Posting and/or offering up details of dates along with names, photos, or even phone numbers is all enough to identify many people on apps and in real life. And if not technically doxxing, even getting people identified to the point where they are excluded from dates is nasty behavior. You essentially can't defend yourself from these accusations, and in most cases you won't EVER find out that there are vicious rumors against you circulating among potentially thousands of people.

You can find plenty of information about people's experiences of being targetted by those groups. Here's a pretty good link to get started I think: https://www.vice.com/en/article/are-we-dating-the-same-guy-f...

Anyway, my point in all of that is to say that Facebook tolerated these groups for a long time, despite their vicious and secretive attacks on people, and violations of privacy. Their moderation team cares more about people posting wholesome religious memes and funny political commentary than content that is definitively toxic. We don't hear a lot about these groups because their membership is locked down. They exist(ed) in many major cities. I think they are thankfully falling out of fashion because their members are way too petty and toxic even for each other. But I don't know that for sure, as I can't join one even if I find it.

Re: How to delete your Facebook account

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Post by physicsguy »

I kept it and Instagram around for years for older relatives and Marketplace and then by coincidence I’m trying to cut back on internet use and read more so I deleted it over NY this year. It’s surprisingly annoying to do, but the worst thing is having to recover access to anything I logged in with Facebook for.

Re: How to delete your Facebook account

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Post by mediumsmart »

amyames wrote: post #78
redeux wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> got asked for ID and then was banned with no appeal possible This is exactly what happened to me as well.

Same. I had a deactivated account from 2015 I could no longer access . Subsequent attempts to make new ones were instantly banned for “no reason.” They did work with me to reinstate the 2015 account. And it’s never been banned or suspended since. I don’t really use it anyway. But that’s how they are. They trust older accounts. New ones are treated like criminals.

But if the deactivated account was still there for you to try and access and for fb to reactivate it and then you come and try to impersonate that old account with a new one the system has good reasons not let you do that and not telling the potential identity thief about these reasons is the right way to do it.

Re: How to delete your Facebook account

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Post by hmcq6 »

wakawaka28 wrote: post #83
hmcq6 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There was at least one of these groups in several major cities. Is there an "are we dating the same guy?" group for every city? Sure I believe that. Do 100% of those groups commit Doxing? Well, that I'm not so sure of. In fact, I've literally never heard of that before, it doesn't sound like the objective of the group. So I googled it and I found one case where a guy is arguing that people in the group manipulated…

>Is there an "are we dating the same guy?" group for every city? Sure I believe that. Do 100% of those groups commit Doxing? Well, that I'm not so sure of. That is literally the point of the group. They are violating the privacy of users on the regular, whether or not they actually give out whole names, addresses, or whatever. This WAS widely reported. >Also, if you read closely you might be confused like I was. Defa…

> That involves violating their privacy, which is essentially a form of doxxing (as far as dating online goes).

No buddy. Doxing is not identifying that you dated the same person, it's almost exclusively providing their address.

> In the United States, the act of publishing someone's personal information is not, in and of itself, illegal.

> However, the act can lose First Amendment protection if it's part of an effort to truly threaten or harm someone, if it intentionally inflicts emotional distress, or if it invades someone's privacy by revealing a highly offensive personal fact about that person without providing the public information about a matter of public concern.

Basically, if it's newsworthy it is protected as long as you're not inciting violence or publishing highly personal information that isn't relevant like their exact address.

The only reason anyone should hyperfocus on this issue is if you're someone with a very dark past and you're afraid it will catch up with you, or perhaps a nice person who is just too paranoid.

In reality, false allegations of rape are incredibly rare and even then a rape allegation is not actually going to exclude you from that whole pool of potential relationships. A lot of the people in those groups have bad reputations. Leaving multiple reports on ex's makes you look undiscerning and people do pay attention to these things.

There are two sides to every story and a lot of people want to hear both sides. I don't always agree with this outlook. But the reality is one bad review on a "are we dating the same guy" thread is not deathknell you seem to believe it is.

> Facebook tolerated these groups for a long time, despite their vicious and secretive attacks on people

I mean if those attacks are based in fact then.... I dk what you're saying. You think we should censor everyone so they can't say anything negative ever?

Should we also ban history books that don't paint us as saviors?

If your best friend hits you up in DMs and tells you the girl you just went out on a date beat him, are you gonna call the cops on him?

Re: How to delete your Facebook account

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Post by amyames »

mediumsmart wrote: post #85
amyames wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same. I had a deactivated account from 2015 I could no longer access . Subsequent attempts to make new ones were instantly banned for “no reason.” They did work with me to reinstate the 2015 account. And it’s never been banned or suspended since. I don’t really use it anyway. But that’s how they are. They trust older accounts. New ones are treated like criminals.

But if the deactivated account was still there for you to try and access and for fb to reactivate it and then you come and try to impersonate that old account with a new one the system has good reasons not let you do that and not telling the potential identity thief about these reasons is the right way to do it.

I see your point: Facebook is known for having “shadow profiles” on people who have never used Facebook in their lives.

So to them, “this is the profile we’ve decided is amy “ and “this one isn’t.” Even if it is….

Re: How to delete your Facebook account

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Post by bayindirh »

ChocolateGod wrote: post #68
bayindirh wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a shallow take. Opting for community notes without any fact checking will transform truth from facts to “loudest voice”. So, who can yell louder will be accepted as the flag of truth, which is very dangerous. Of course, if you like your propaganda well-done, Facebook will be a great place for that.

I've found X's community notes for the most part to be informative and "neutral", they're usually used to add context to posts when people cut the important parts out.

The feature was not bad when it was first introduced, but I don't know how it fares against brigading and more targeted psyops by bigger actors.

Also are we absolutely sure that community notes have immunity from moderators and they're not manipulated in any way?

Community notes are indeed a good feature at first blush, but considering the current climate of "freedom of speech / post-truth / let's move fast and break society norms", it's more dangerous than a group of allegedly biased fact checkers.

It's a way of deregulating the social media platforms to level of utilities which carry whatever passes through them without prejudice, and shifting blame to the people for believing what they read.

The thing they're designing is very ripe for manipulating people en masse.

Re: How to delete your Facebook account

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Post by wertigon »

batiudrami wrote: post #82
hagbard_c wrote: post #36

While I'm all on board with deleting Facebook accounts - and deleting Facebook itself - the timing of this push is odd. Now that Facebook claims to open up the platform for a wider view than just the desired narrative is the time to get rid of your account? Please explain to me how it was better to be held on a short leash than to be allowed to run out that leash a little bit. I never had a Facebook account and as su…

To be clear, you think the change to specifically allow (verbatim from the new Meta training materials) ““Immigrants are grubby, filthy pieces of shit,” “Jews are flat out greedier than Christians,” and “Trans people are immoral.”” is a net improvement?

Encountering views that you find objectionable is the price of free speech.

Re: How to delete your Facebook account

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Post by mediumsmart »

amyames wrote: post #87
mediumsmart wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if the deactivated account was still there for you to try and access and for fb to reactivate it and then you come and try to impersonate that old account with a new one the system has good reasons not let you do that and not telling the potential identity thief about these reasons is the right way to do it.

I see your point: Facebook is known for having “shadow profiles” on people who have never used Facebook in their lives. So to them, “this is the profile we’ve decided is amy “ and “this one isn’t.” Even if it is….

I agree with you too and I think most of this is automated. A client triggered this like you did and the only way I found was to get a dedicated phone with a new sim (for social media accounts). I don't even dare to check if the trigger account is still there (they promised to delete it after some time) - I know the one from before that, which triggered the ban is still fine - nothing happening there in 8 years. Why can't it be simple like skype in the old days when Mum made a new account every time she forgot her password...
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