Interesting that there is some research (though only n=11!) on 28h days:
Neurobehavioral Performance in Young Adults Living on a 28-h Day for 6 Weeks
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#82Interesting that there is some research (though only n=11!) on 28h days: Neurobehavioral Performance in Young Adults Living on a 28-h Day for 6 Weeks https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2706904/
An n of almost 40,000,000 seems pretty substantial to me.
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#83This flies in the face of circadean rhythm research. I know the human body is extremely adaptable, but imagine making every single day a jet-lagged day. My younger self may have been able to tolerate it well enough, but there's no way I'd come out unscathed now.
I doubt your assertion about circadian rhythm research, largely because of the cave experiments that show that people naturally assume non-24 hour days when removed from sunlight and social cues.
> I doubt your assertion about circadian rhythm research
You seem oblivious to the decades of research into chronobiology and studies into shift work, jet lag, etc.
Your loss.
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#84After reading the article I didn’t pick up what any of the advantages are of 28hr days other than being able to communicate with other regions of the world on certain days. I suppose that could be a very important factor for some people who do work in a geographically dispersed area. A few things I would be concerned with are: 1) your SO is not on the same schedule and really for what isn’t a solid reason. I could se…
The greatest benefit is that you can stay up until you're absolutely dog-tired every day, and not have to worry about all the rituals of "sleep hygiene", like limiting screen time, dimming lights, no coffee, etc. On a >24 hour sleep schedule, you _will_ be tired when it's time to sleep. Guaranteed. Not only that, you can sleep longer and will always feel well-rested. Meeting people all around the world, when they're…
> You can live your life to the maximum extent, without scheduling in the extra time to manage getting to sleep, and feeling tired when you don't.
I did this for a year when I was caring for my dad and working at the same time, but remember that this process makes you almost completely alone because your breaks do not line up with the world around you.
I would wake up at 7 AM on a monday, to attend the weekly planning meetings & keep slipping by about 1 hour every day of the week, so by Thu I am waking up after noon & I tended to just work through the night on Fri to sleep near dawn on Saturday.
The problem was that Fri nights and weekends are when people are mostly ready to socialize or relax, I would literally sleep through the day on Saturday and wake up close to 4 AM on Sunday.
Then go to sleep around 7 PM on Sunday, because I woke up so early and then monday I wake up with 12hours of sleep.
Lost weight from skipping meals by sleeping.
This felt completely awesome from a personal standpoint & also from the friends I had on IRC, but from an IRL standpoint it was very odd.
I definitely looked like a shut-in, even I grew my hair out simply because I did not have the time to go get it cut during business hours.
Then my dad died, which ended that chapter in an unexpected way.
I remembered those days when I had my first kid, the experience was shockingly similar when it comes to perturbed sleep schedules.
Re: 28h Days: year 1 update
#85Interesting. I have a similar problem that I haven't had any obligations to follow the "normal people schedule" ever since I graduated the university (and even then, I got like 4 hours of sleep and slept on the subway on my way there and felt like a zombie for a few hours in the morning anyway). I'm constantly out of sync with the rest of the society and this sometimes gets rather frustrating, but I can't seem to do much about it. I can try to strong-arm myself into it but that only works for so long, my schedule still slips eventually. The longest I was able to maintain a "normal person schedule" was around 2 months. Not sure at this point whether this is a blessing or a curse.
So, I might actually try this.
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#86> Those 2 months were hard, [...] but also with the SO complaining that I wasn’t available to reply to messages sometimes (because I was sleeping when she was awake), which was no encouragement to keep going.
I hope it's not too personal to ask, but I'm wondering how that is working out with the SO.
My own experience thus far, as someone whose body by default seems to want to do 25-26 hour days (and can do much longer when I choose), is that an SO is one reason to force myself to stay on a 24-hour cycle.
If you're both doing grad school, hospital shifts, startups, trying to make partner, traveling a lot for work, etc., then having your schedules not always overlap might come with the territory, and you both can adapt. But if they find they're often wanting to spend meaningful time with you after their work, and you're sleeping during normal-person waking hours, they might be wondering whether this is the right long-term relationship.
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#87After reading the article I didn’t pick up what any of the advantages are of 28hr days other than being able to communicate with other regions of the world on certain days. I suppose that could be a very important factor for some people who do work in a geographically dispersed area. A few things I would be concerned with are: 1) your SO is not on the same schedule and really for what isn’t a solid reason. I could se…
Overall more hours awake. 7×8 < 6×9
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#88I've found that biphasic sleep seems to fill a similar role for me. When I'm able I don't set alarms or make any preparations toward going to bed. I just sleep when I'm tired and wake up naturally. That leads to me often falling asleep around dark and waking up about 2.5-3.5 hours later. Then I'm up for a few hours, and asleep again a little bit before the sun comes up for a few more hours.
Now when I'm not able to just sleep and wake up completely naturally it always sucks following a more normal schedule of going to bed around midnight waking up around 7.
So I try to prioritize the biphasic sleep with the idea that the stages are variable. As in sometimes I sleep through all 3 stages, sometimes I stay up after the first time I wake up, or sometimes I don't initially fall asleep until the last stage.
I find that my days don't fit a 24 hours schedule either, but I don't feel like they fit the same set amount of hours each day at all.My motivational and energy levels are just different depending on the day and have a wake / rest cycle that can fit with that is beneficial.
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#89I find it amusing how the OP has the need to label meals within the day and gripes about how they don’t match when talking to others on a regular 24-hour schedule. They are just meals. You’re hungry, so you eat. It’s a meal. Only one note: OP sounds like a younger person, probably in their 20s. My body was able to take some serious abuse when it came to sleep schedule back then. I had a job that kept alternating betw…
My experience is very similar.
When I was young, I could stay up for 26 - 30 hours regularly without any issues, even on multiple consecutive days. I would be fine no matter how I slept.
No more. If my sleep schedule gets disrupted in any way, too short or too long, my body will immediately go into "things are not right" mode.
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#90I find it amusing how the OP has the need to label meals within the day and gripes about how they don’t match when talking to others on a regular 24-hour schedule. They are just meals. You’re hungry, so you eat. It’s a meal. Only one note: OP sounds like a younger person, probably in their 20s. My body was able to take some serious abuse when it came to sleep schedule back then. I had a job that kept alternating betw…
Reminds me of my trip to south america, in which I had no meal plans, just munchies plans