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When the U.S. tried to replace migrant farmworkers with high schoolers (2018)

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Re: When the U.S. tried to replace migrant farmworkers with high schoolers (2018)

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Post by gregw2 »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #66
rib3ye wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you rather your tax dollars were used to subsidize farmers or do you just want to pay more for food?

You know what would make farming even cheaper? Child labour. So would indentured servitude. Or why not consider slavery? After all we've established that we're fine with breaking the law so that certain industries have lower operating costs, so these should all be on the table. No one wants to pay more for food. Besides, child slaves do the jobs Americans don't want to do! You're socially immoral if you don't support…

> why not consider slavery

We kinda kept it around in the guise of our prison labor system...

Re: When the U.S. tried to replace migrant farmworkers with high schoolers (2018)

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Post by friend_Fernando »

ImJamal wrote: post #80
friend_Fernando wrote: post #51

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I guess you're saying he's unlike Bolsonaro, Orban, Vucic, Kickl, Trump, Weidel, Le Pen, Duterte and Farage? He's larger-than-life and bombastic. He's overthrown the political order and engineered a downward spiral faster than Maduro's. Putin couldn't ask for more. Argentina has always had problems, but economic suicide is not a disease cure. Having voiced support for Ukraine doesn't mean much. Even Trump has once or…

Argentina has lower inflation, is solving their deficit and is seeing larger than expected economic growth now that Millei is in charge. Maybe he won't fix all the issues, but it seems like things are improving and it is not an "economic suicide".

A 53% poverty rate is economic suicide.[1] Scrambling for food is not economic activity, it's idleness and ruination.

Incidentally, this conversation parallels the one that would follow mass deportations. People complaining of the crashing economy, and the fans of racial cleansing claimimg that it had to be done and that it's a good thing in the long run.

This is exactly the point I was making.

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/27/poverty-rate-a...

Re: When the U.S. tried to replace migrant farmworkers with high schoolers (2018)

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Post by ImJamal »

friend_Fernando wrote: post #82
ImJamal wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Argentina has lower inflation, is solving their deficit and is seeing larger than expected economic growth now that Millei is in charge. Maybe he won't fix all the issues, but it seems like things are improving and it is not an "economic suicide".

A 53% poverty rate is economic suicide.[1] Scrambling for food is not economic activity, it's idleness and ruination. Incidentally, this conversation parallels the one that would follow mass deportations. People complaining of the crashing economy, and the fans of racial cleansing claimimg that it had to be done and that it's a good thing in the long run. This is exactly the point I was making. [1] https://www.thegua…

Having massive economic changes will cause short term economic problems. Fixing the inflation will make Argentina better in the future. Just because things are not perfect as quickly as you want does not mean things are not improving.

Advocating for the massive inflation that Argentina had and is now improving is economic suicide. Inflation makes it impossible for average people to save and build wealth. That is economic suicide.

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Post by friend_Fernando »

ImJamal wrote: post #83
friend_Fernando wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A 53% poverty rate is economic suicide.[1] Scrambling for food is not economic activity, it's idleness and ruination. Incidentally, this conversation parallels the one that would follow mass deportations. People complaining of the crashing economy, and the fans of racial cleansing claimimg that it had to be done and that it's a good thing in the long run. This is exactly the point I was making. [1] https://www.thegua…

Having massive economic changes will cause short term economic problems. Fixing the inflation will make Argentina better in the future. Just because things are not perfect as quickly as you want does not mean things are not improving. Advocating for the massive inflation that Argentina had and is now improving is economic suicide. Inflation makes it impossible for average people to save and build wealth. That is econ…

That's a strawman. Using the right economic policies would fix the problem. Argentina had a cold, maybe pneumonia. The right fix was antibiotics, not a bullet to the head.

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Post by ImJamal »

friend_Fernando wrote: post #84
ImJamal wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having massive economic changes will cause short term economic problems. Fixing the inflation will make Argentina better in the future. Just because things are not perfect as quickly as you want does not mean things are not improving. Advocating for the massive inflation that Argentina had and is now improving is economic suicide. Inflation makes it impossible for average people to save and build wealth. That is econ…

That's a strawman. Using the right economic policies would fix the problem. Argentina had a cold, maybe pneumonia. The right fix was antibiotics, not a bullet to the head.

You have yet to prove anything you stated. If you have a good economy with low inflation allowing the average person to save and build wealth, poverty will eventually lower. If you just focus on the poverty and don't fix the core issues you won't solve anything.

To continue with your analogy, you are treating the symptom, not the disease. Millei appears to be curing the disease, but the treatment is painful.

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Post by friend_Fernando »

ImJamal wrote: post #85
friend_Fernando wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a strawman. Using the right economic policies would fix the problem. Argentina had a cold, maybe pneumonia. The right fix was antibiotics, not a bullet to the head.

You have yet to prove anything you stated. If you have a good economy with low inflation allowing the average person to save and build wealth, poverty will eventually lower. If you just focus on the poverty and don't fix the core issues you won't solve anything. To continue with your analogy, you are treating the symptom, not the disease. Millei appears to be curing the disease, but the treatment is painful.

This just mirrors the fake zealotry babbled in Venezuela while the country was cratering. I don't have to prove that mainstream economics works. That's risible Putinist nonsense like the rest of your line of "reasoning."

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Post by BenFranklin100 »

UncleOxidant wrote: post #63
ipnon wrote: post #2

This sounds quite sinister but it was a common summer job in Iowa for teenagers. You could make enough in a summer to buy a used car. Because of immigration these jobs are not really available for citizens anymore. I haven't heard of any teenagers taking this work in some time. You had to work long hours in the sun and heat but it was "an honest day's work."

I worked in strawberry & bean fields (as well as bucking hay) in Oregon when I was a teen in the 70s. It was really common then to work a couple of summers to save up for a used car or for college money. > Because of immigration these jobs are not really available for citizens anymore. I haven't heard of any teenagers taking this work in some time I don't think immigration was what killed those jobs for citizen teens…

Wait, seriously, teenagers no longer mow lawns in the neighborhood for extra cash? I did that all the time as a teenager. I sound like a grumpy Boomer.

Re: When the U.S. tried to replace migrant farmworkers with high schoolers (2018)

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Post by ImJamal »

friend_Fernando wrote: post #86
ImJamal wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have yet to prove anything you stated. If you have a good economy with low inflation allowing the average person to save and build wealth, poverty will eventually lower. If you just focus on the poverty and don't fix the core issues you won't solve anything. To continue with your analogy, you are treating the symptom, not the disease. Millei appears to be curing the disease, but the treatment is painful.

This just mirrors the fake zealotry babbled in Venezuela while the country was cratering. I don't have to prove that mainstream economics works. That's risible Putinist nonsense like the rest of your line of "reasoning."

Mainstream economics doesn't think 1000% inflation is fine.
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