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Re: Akamai to shut down its CDN operations in China

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Post by mihaaly »

wafflerewire wrote: post #29
eh_why_not wrote: post #26

> All current China CDN customers must complete the transition to our Partners’ solution by June 30, 2026... Can anyone here who works in the field shed some light on why it takes a whole 1.5 years for such a change to take effect? What's involved in a CDN transition that can't be done in, say, 6 months?

My enterprise sized day job is an Akamai customer. Nothing in China directly so we won't be directly impacted. As a hypothetical, if we got told that we had to switch providers to stay in a region, we'd need to rebuild pipelines, EdgeWorkers, edge caching rules, origin routing configurations and probably more I'm not aware of. Plus testing all of those changes in a non-breaking way across the entire enterprise. Along…

Sounds fragile and pretty exposed.

(Also a complete layman here)

Re: Akamai to shut down its CDN operations in China

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Post by jhp123 »

Salgat wrote: post #50
sschueller wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought we don't want to be like China? You aren't going to spread your form of "democracy" across the world by doing what the "oppressive" regimes are doing.

This has nothing to do with democracy, it's about trying to keep a level playing field. The US has been trying to open trade with China since the 70s, and until China stops doing this the US has to adjust trade policy to keep things fair. Free and open trade is a two way street, otherwise it's just charity to the bad faith actor.

each side accuses the other of bad faith, but only one side is sabotaging the international body that is supposed to adjudicate trade disputes

Re: Akamai to shut down its CDN operations in China

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

Barrin92 wrote: post #76
crystaln wrote: post #17

China never has and never will offer a level playing field for non-Chinese companies. The US is finally starting to act in kind, and should continue to do so.

>China never has and never will offer a level playing field for non-Chinese companies. Foreign companies in China have to play by Chinese rules, which are more restrictive than the US but so do Chinese companies. When it comes to doing business abroad China imposes very few rules or conditions. Meanwhile the US has been waging a straight up trade war on China with the not just implicit but stated goal of strangling C…

Chinese companies don’t have to play by the rules in the same way that foreign companies do. China isn’t a rule of law country, and has explicitly stated that it doesn’t want to be a rule of law country. Instead laws are enforced selectively for whatever outcome the official branch wants at the moment (rule by law). They are perfectly willing to fine American companies when Chinese companies cheat (and not apply anywhere near the same enforcement to the Chinese company that actually cheated).

Foreign companies have to be heavily aware of context just like Chinese companies do, but they will also be treated very differently in how and when laws are applied (not always to their detriment, China will elevate some foreign companies to show they are fair and open to FDI).

Re: Akamai to shut down its CDN operations in China

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Post by tehjoker »

crystaln wrote: post #17

China never has and never will offer a level playing field for non-Chinese companies. The US is finally starting to act in kind, and should continue to do so.

China doesn't want to be an opium den for western powers and have their economy underdeveloped by their firms. I think that's okay and it has been paying off. That's why China is able to develop its economy to superpower status while so much of the rest of the world is locked in dependency on the whims of G7.

Re: Akamai to shut down its CDN operations in China

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

tehjoker wrote: post #84
crystaln wrote: post #17

China never has and never will offer a level playing field for non-Chinese companies. The US is finally starting to act in kind, and should continue to do so.

China doesn't want to be an opium den for western powers and have their economy underdeveloped by their firms. I think that's okay and it has been paying off. That's why China is able to develop its economy to superpower status while so much of the rest of the world is locked in dependency on the whims of G7.

That’s really interesting considering China is exporting fentanyl to the USA and much of the western world today.

Re: Akamai to shut down its CDN operations in China

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Post by okasaki »

Xenoamorphous wrote: post #71
iamacyborg wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* wants the publicity from being the president to ban them

Genuine question as someone not from the US, wouldn’t that make a significant part of a generation mad at Republicans? Some who might be close to voting age or might even be able to vote already.

Both parties are owned by the same oligarchs and security state. The owners don't care who you vote for, the system is a political World Wrestling Federation.

Re: Akamai to shut down its CDN operations in China

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Post by xyst »

animitronix wrote: post #73

Good, no US company should have ever been doing business in China

Does this also mean exploiting their cheap/slave labor for manufacturing and importing materials is also off the table?

Very naive to think the incoming US administration would do anything to help the middle class. He sold voters as “America first”, yet his actions speak for the billionaire class.

Re: Akamai to shut down its CDN operations in China

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Post by parasense »

sangnoir wrote: post #60
macspoofing wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

It's not a red herring, I was responding to this specific sentence about the US "finally" acting, as if it's a new phenomenon: >> The US is finally starting to act in kind, and should continue to do so > No country is a perfect free market, and has some 'sacred cows' that it attempts to protect This is a more nuanced take that should be the starting off point for any productive discussion around what counts as "fair"…

It is a Red Herring.

That is because the Jones Act in context to the gross entirety of the USA and PRC economic relations is at best utterly irrelevant. Besides, you might find it interesting to learn that the protectionist parts of the Jones act are in fact common around the world. Many counties prohibit port to port shippments without first visiting an international port. Mind you, many folks here would agree these kind of laws are stupid, and I would personally agree... However, that does not stop this talk about the Jones act from being a Red Herring. I'm glad you found a topic of great interrest to you, and that's great.

What does this have to do with Akamai, and many other American companies, ending services in mainland China? Nothing... What does export tarrifs on Chines exports have to do with Jones act? Very little, asymptoticly little... to the point one might say the topics are orthogonal, or more plainly they might say Red Herring.

Re: Akamai to shut down its CDN operations in China

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Post by transcriptase »

sschueller wrote: post #38
crystaln wrote: post #17

China never has and never will offer a level playing field for non-Chinese companies. The US is finally starting to act in kind, and should continue to do so.

I thought we don't want to be like China? You aren't going to spread your form of "democracy" across the world by doing what the "oppressive" regimes are doing.

How’s that “if we make China rich they’ll naturally become a Western democracy” plan coming along?

Re: Akamai to shut down its CDN operations in China

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Post by thaumasiotes »

hlieberman wrote: post #12
thaumasiotes wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The requirements of the certification might change for political reasons.

That's not something that's currently planned, and even if it did, it would take years. Besides, it wouldn't apply anyway; Akamai's China business was already routed through a mainland China company, as required by Chinese law.

It generally takes a long time to change the text of a formal requirement. Changing the meaning of the existing text doesn't take so long.
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