“ Keep in mind that AI models, like most things, are considered intellectual property. Before using or modifying any extracted models, you need the explicit permission of their owner.” That’s not true, is it? It would be a copyright violation to distribute an extracted model, but you can do what you want with it yourself.
Extracting AI models from mobile apps
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#82“ Keep in mind that AI models, like most things, are considered intellectual property. Before using or modifying any extracted models, you need the explicit permission of their owner.” That’s not true, is it? It would be a copyright violation to distribute an extracted model, but you can do what you want with it yourself.
Circumventing a copy-prevention system without a valid exemption is a crime, even if you don't make unlawful copies. Copyright covers the right to make copies, not the right to distribute; "doing what you want with it yourself" may or may not be covered by fair use. Whether or not model weights are copyrightable remains an open question. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/1201
so this is where it all goes in several years, if i were the gov.
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#83You wouldn't train a LLM on a corpus containing copyrighted works without ensuring you had the necessary rights to the works, would you?
You wouldn't read a book and teach others its lessons without a derived license, would you?
as an example: saying “i really like james holden’s inheritors album for the rough and dissonant sounds” isn’t covered by copyright.
if i reproduced it verbatim using my mouth, or created a derived work which is noticeably similar to the original, that’s a different question though.
in your example, a derivative work example could be akin to only quoting from the book for the audience and modifying a word of each quote.
“derived” works are always a grey area, especially around generative machine learning right now.
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#84Can anyone explain that resize_to_320.tflite file? Surely they aren't using an AI model to resize images? Right?
tflite files can contain a ResizeOp that resizes the image: https://ai.google.dev/edge/api/tflite/java/org/tensorflow/li... The file is only 7.7kb, so it couldn't contain many weights anyways.
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#85Well done you seem to have liberated an open model trained on open data for blind and visually impaired people. Paper: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2204.03738 Code: https://github.com/microsoft/banknote-net Training data: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/microsoft/banknote-net/ref... model: https://github.com/microsoft/banknote-net/blob/main/models/b... Kinda easier to download it straight from github. Its licenced under M…
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
Going a step further, weights, i.e. coefficients, aren't produced by a person at all – they're produced by machine algorithms. Because a human did not create the weights, the weights have no author. Thus they are ineligible for copyright in the first place and are in the public domain. Whether the model architecture is copyrightable is more of an open question, but I think a solid argument could be that the model arc…
You can say the same about compiled executable code though.
There is an argument also that LLMs are derivative works of the training data, which I'm somewhat sympathetic to, though clearly there's a difference and lots of ambiguity about which contributions to which weights correspond to any particular source work.
Again IANAL, and this is my opinion based on reading the law & precedents. Consult a real copyright attorney for real advice.
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#87You wouldn't train a LLM on a corpus containing copyrighted works without ensuring you had the necessary rights to the works, would you?
You wouldn't read a book and teach others its lessons without a derived license, would you?
At the start of the tape, there was a copyright notice forbidding the VHS tape from being played at, amongst other places, schools.
Copyright rules are a strange thing.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes nothing wrong with cool software or showing people how to use it for useful things. Sorry I'm just kind of sick of the whole 'kool aid', 'rage against AI' thing a lot of people seem to have going on and the way is presented in the post. I have family members with vision impairment helped by this particular app so its a bit personal. Nothing against opening stuff up and understanding how it works etc. I'd just rat…
Sadly companies will hoard datasets and model research in the name of competitive advantage. Obviously with this specific model Microsoft chose to make it open, but this is not always the case, and it's not uncommon to read papers or technical reports saying they trained on an "internal dataset"
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#89You wouldn't train a LLM on a corpus containing copyrighted works without ensuring you had the necessary rights to the works, would you?
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#90You wouldn't train a LLM on a corpus containing copyrighted works without ensuring you had the necessary rights to the works, would you?
Fair use.
most other places use fair dealing which is more restrictive https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_dealing