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A path to O1 open source

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Re: A path to O1 open source

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Post by pizza »

nickvec wrote: post #71
ricardobeat wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s interesting even if not true or correct. You could also choose to enrich the discussion by elaborating on why you think this is worthless instead.

I have a hard time giving worth to a paper whose first sentence fails to spell intelligence correctly.

In a mathematical conversation, someone suggested to Grothendieck that they should consider a particular prime number. “You mean an actual number?” Grothendieck asked. The other person replied, yes, an actual prime number. Grothendieck suggested, “All right, take 57.”

Might I suggest Postel's Law?

Re: A path to O1 open source

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Post by FanaHOVA »

veggieroll wrote: post #36
FanaHOVA wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish HN would stop devolving into Reddit. This comment is the same boring "joke" that has been repeated 100 times on every platform, and keeps being posted for karma. It adds nothing to the conversation.

> Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills. [0] But also, if you want people to stop mocking "Open" AI, then maybe they should stop being such a mockable caricature of themselves. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

If you joined 8 months ago it might be hard to recognize. I've been on HN for more than a decade and the quality of discourse has drastically lowered in quality especially in the last 3-4 years. This is a problem with the broader web, not just HN. Tech / startups is now a mainstream topic that attracts a lot of people who are not really in the weeds and are just able to write surface level comments.

Regarding the name, open is just a word. Apple doesn't sell apples. The company never promised to open source every model, only to make them accessible to the public, so you're arguing semantics that lead to no improvement in the technical conversation.

Re: A path to O1 open source

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Post by dTal »

lgessler wrote: post #68
halayli wrote: post #64

> has claimed that the main techinique behinds o1 is the reinforcement learining. Typos in the first sentence of the paper doesn't give confidence that I am about to read something worthwhile.

I think this is both a harmful and irrational attitude. Why focus on some trivial mechanical errors and disparage the authors for it instead of the thing that is much more important, i.e., the substance of the work? And in dismissing work for such trivial reasons, you risk ignoring things you might have otherwise found interesting. In an ideal world would second-language speakers of English proofread assiduously? Of…

>in dismissing work for such trivial reasons, you risk ignoring things you might have otherwise found interesting

Not dismissing work for trivially avoidable mistakes risks wasting your precious, limited lifespan investing effort into nonsense. These signals are useful and important. If they couldn't be bothered to proofread, what else couldn't they be bothered to do?

>spent their limited resources focusing on what's more important

Showing that you give a crap is important, and it takes seconds to run through a spell checker.

Re: A path to O1 open source

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

elorant wrote: post #38
jeanlucas wrote: post #2

Looks like China will lead the next generation of open source tech.

How is China training models without access to cutting edge GPUs?

- using non-cutting edge GPUs (just more of them)

- creating more efficient models such as MoE based DeepSeek

- getting their hands on cutting edge GPUs all the same

I think it was Dylan Patel (from semianalysis) on Dwarkesh that mentioned one scam is for a Chinese source to arrange for a SOTA NVidia cluster to be bought/installed in some non-embargoed country, then dismantled and shipped to China.

Re: A path to O1 open source

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Post by gone35 »

xvector wrote: post #69
mrayycombi wrote: post #53

From the first few paragraphs it doesn't pass the sniff test for me. "Now AI has made everything more complex!" "AI is embedded in everything we do"... Sounds like marketing gibberish and obfuscation, combined with self promotion. That's just my read at first sniff.

This is absolutely a worthless fluff paper

I disagree. I found the review useful.

Re: A path to O1 open source

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Post by 0xml »

xoxosc wrote: post #9

Is it me or the first link on the site http://ability.openai is broken? Is openai a tld now?

This is a feature of arxiv that automatically converts text looks like a link into "this http url". The submitter missed the space after the "." in "...strong reasoning ability. OpenAI has claimed...".

https://info.arxiv.org/help/prep.html#abstract-required

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