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Re: How I converted a software thief into a customer

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

Karunamon wrote: post #80
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was that supposed to be a joke? Piracy is robbery at sea - ie stealing by force using a boat. It's like calling bullying 'murder'.

Check a recent dictionary. Take it up with Princeton if you don't like the definition: * (pirate) copy illegally; of published material * (pirate) someone who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without having a commission from any sovereign nation * (pirate) commandeer: take arbitrarily or by force; "The Cubans commandeered the plane and flew it to Miami"

The parents point was that it is not confused with 'stealing' though. Whilst, as you and I both noted it in fact means stealing (well robbing).

Copyright infringement is just that, or 'unlawful copying' if you're afraid of longer words.

Re: How I converted a software thief into a customer

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

derleth wrote: post #66
einhverfr wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depending on jurisdiction, though. In some jurisdiction authors cannot give up some rights, such as the right to attribution, in theory at least. In practice, what are they going to do? Ban publishing things anonymously on the basis you are violating your own moral rights?

> Depending on jurisdiction, though. In some jurisdiction authors cannot give up some rights, such as the right to attribution, in theory at least. Entirely correct. My post was based on American copyright law, which has no concept of moral rights.

Well USA are signatories to Berne Convent (http://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/ShowResults.jsp?treaty_id=15) which includes moral rights in Article 6bis.

FWIW TRIPs includes an element of moral rights in Art.s 13/14 but specifically disclaims the inclusion of every right in Berne Art.6.

It would be interesting to know why the US dont want to allow people the right to be named as author of their own work? (and if they led the exclusion in TRIPs).

Re: How I converted a software thief into a customer

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Post by derleth »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #82
derleth wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Depending on jurisdiction, though. In some jurisdiction authors cannot give up some rights, such as the right to attribution, in theory at least. Entirely correct. My post was based on American copyright law, which has no concept of moral rights.

Well USA are signatories to Berne Convent ( http://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/ShowResults.jsp?treaty_id=15 ) which includes moral rights in Article 6 bis . FWIW TRIPs includes an element of moral rights in Art.s 13/14 but specifically disclaims the inclusion of every right in Berne Art.6. It would be interesting to know why the US dont want to allow people the right to be named as author of their own work? (and if they…

> It would be interesting to know why the US dont want to allow people the right to be named as author of their own work?

You can have that right if you negotiate for it in a contract or make it a condition of the license you release the work under.

The more interesting question is why other countries want there to be rights granted by law that authors cannot give up.

Re: How I converted a software thief into a customer

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Post by Karunamon »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #81
Karunamon wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check a recent dictionary. Take it up with Princeton if you don't like the definition: * (pirate) copy illegally; of published material * (pirate) someone who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without having a commission from any sovereign nation * (pirate) commandeer: take arbitrarily or by force; "The Cubans commandeered the plane and flew it to Miami"

The parents point was that it is not confused with 'stealing' though. Whilst, as you and I both noted it in fact means stealing (well robbing). Copyright infringement is just that, or 'unlawful copying' if you're afraid of longer words.

Except it also means, as per pretty much every dictionary, to copy unlawfully. The same cannot be said of theft/stealing.

Re: How I converted a software thief into a customer

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

derleth wrote: post #83
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well USA are signatories to Berne Convent ( http://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/ShowResults.jsp?treaty_id=15 ) which includes moral rights in Article 6 bis . FWIW TRIPs includes an element of moral rights in Art.s 13/14 but specifically disclaims the inclusion of every right in Berne Art.6. It would be interesting to know why the US dont want to allow people the right to be named as author of their own work? (and if they…

> It would be interesting to know why the US dont want to allow people the right to be named as author of their own work? You can have that right if you negotiate for it in a contract or make it a condition of the license you release the work under. The more interesting question is why other countries want there to be rights granted by law that authors cannot give up.

Is that a French thing - IP rights that can't be given up?

Moral rights to me are embodied in the right to be named as author of your works. And I can't see why you'd want to allow that to be taken away, eg in a contract of work, against the authors wishes. Where's the benefit in stimulating creative expression or for the public domain?

Generally USA has rights that can't be given up; though you can chose not to exercise some of them. For example you can't sell yourself in to slavery AFAICT (or at least it wouldn't be lawful to be bought which in practical terms is equivalent).

Re: How I converted a software thief into a customer

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

Karunamon wrote: post #84
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The parents point was that it is not confused with 'stealing' though. Whilst, as you and I both noted it in fact means stealing (well robbing). Copyright infringement is just that, or 'unlawful copying' if you're afraid of longer words.

Except it also means, as per pretty much every dictionary, to copy unlawfully. The same cannot be said of theft/stealing.

So if a headline refers to, let's say, 'Somali pirates' you disavow any confusion in the scope of activity in which the subjects are engaged?

Re: How I converted a software thief into a customer

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Post by Karunamon »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #86
Karunamon wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except it also means, as per pretty much every dictionary, to copy unlawfully. The same cannot be said of theft/stealing.

So if a headline refers to, let's say, 'Somali pirates' you disavow any confusion in the scope of activity in which the subjects are engaged?

In which case you rely on the context (you know, like you have to do with every other ambiguity in English ^^)

Considering how often Somalian criminals have been hijacking ships, and how this has been covered on pretty much every media form, I don't think there will be any confusion on this matter anytime soon.

Also, the verb form (Someone is pirating something) is in my experience almost exclusively used for copyright infringement. I've never heard of pirates pirating a shipment, but I've heard plenty of pirates pirating music.

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