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How and Why I Stopped Buying New Laptops (2020)

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Re: How and Why I Stopped Buying New Laptops (2020)

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> the author is quoting prices in Euros, which is pretty much synonymous with "extreme poverty" I mentioned before :)

Care to elaborate?

> Especially ironic this article is from 2020 when M1 was launched and now laptops, both Qualcomm and Apple ones, are leaps and bounds better than before.

Something tells me you haven't quite grasped the blog post or what LOW←TECH MAGAZINE is about. https://permacomputing.net

Re: How and Why I Stopped Buying New Laptops (2020)

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post #78

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If you had a full backup, why would you worry about your data? My important documents are synced with cloud storage, my photos and videos are synced with iCloud, Google Photos and OneDrive. My code is pushed to a remote git repository. I can add more external storage. I would be more concerned about RAM.

a cloud backup for a 2TB disk is too expensive or to slow. an offline backup is not automatic and only current the moment i run it. a combination of both is more complex. an always synced full backup is difficult to achieve. it is possible when the only places where i use the laptop are at home and at the office. as soon as i add traveling and using expensive mobile data my backup becomes unreliable or to expensive t…

BackBlaze at $7/month is too expensive?

And when you are traveling you don’t keep your important documents backed up? What happens if your SSD goes bad?

And if a restore would be inconvenient when you are traveling, getting a new laptop and hypothetically connecting your SAD wouldn’t be?

Re: How and Why I Stopped Buying New Laptops (2020)

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Do they have 15 hour battery life, run cool and silent like my MacBook Air? The Framework laptop has way too many compromises https://www.theverge.com/24185827/framework-laptop-16-six-mo...

Sure, when it's switched off, which is the only way you're getting 15 hours of battery life from a Macbook air.

https://www.techradar.com/computing/macbooks/apple-macbook-a...

> The fact that the battery lasted over 14 hours on a single charge in our battery life tests again shows just how good the 13-inch MacBook Air is for people who want a compact laptop they can use almost anywhere.

Re: How and Why I Stopped Buying New Laptops (2020)

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I presume, with Windows 10 support ending this year, there's going to be a glut of used laptops.

This will be an interesting one to observe; will Canonical and others be able to capitalize on the Microsoft FUD around secure boot to convert users? Alternatively, can the community come up with some interesting uses for all the machines?

One common suggestion I've seen: convert your old laptop into a server.

Re: How and Why I Stopped Buying New Laptops (2020)

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You actually don't have to dig too hard to find places where hundreds if not thousands of people are doing exactly this.

Still, hardly relevant to an article about getting some more useful life out of an old laptop. Its like saying, not good enough for video editing 8k.

In response to the comment further above (so not just the article), outbound network path management is not uncommon. However we often see it presumed to be uncommon by those who haven't thought of it, or have thought of it but the ability to do it is out of their reach.

Qubes makes outbound network path management easy enough but it's not too hard to do on Linux and FreeBSD, so it can also be done on machines with modest compute resources (which may or may not be subject to the machine being an older machine) as well.

Re: How and Why I Stopped Buying New Laptops (2020)

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post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you had a full backup, why would you worry about your data? My important documents are synced with cloud storage, my photos and videos are synced with iCloud, Google Photos and OneDrive. My code is pushed to a remote git repository. I can add more external storage. I would be more concerned about RAM.

a cloud backup for a 2TB disk is too expensive or to slow. an offline backup is not automatic and only current the moment i run it. a combination of both is more complex. an always synced full backup is difficult to achieve. it is possible when the only places where i use the laptop are at home and at the office. as soon as i add traveling and using expensive mobile data my backup becomes unreliable or to expensive t…

if you have a backup but can't rely on it, is it really a backup?

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Hm, odd that, the newest laptop I have here is from 2016 and with that just past your threshold. It works just fine, performance is no problem, the battery holds for around 5-6 hours. Maybe it helps to say I a) don't buy Apple products and b) only use Linux? Nearly all my laptops are Thinkpads, all of them run Debian in some form or other. From the ancient (T23) through the old (T42p) to the relatively modern (P50),…

Well, I haven't always bought Apple Products. My first laptop was a Toshiba and it lasted five years. Then I bought a used Thinkpad, I can't remember the model now but it only lasted about three years. My next computer was a thinkpad, I think a T203 or something like that, and it died after five years also (just stopped booting). I also installed Linux on them too and the battery life was not great either. I could be…

I never bought any Apple products but did get two items gifted over the years due to seemingly standard defects which render them inoperable: a 'late 2009' 27" iMac with an inoperable video card (a standard defect in these things) which I made operable again by toasting it for 5 minutes and a 2011 Macbook Air with a broken keyboard (qwertyuio keys dead, again a standard defect in these things). To fix the latter I'll have to get an new keyboard, rip out the old one - which Apple in all its financial wisdom riveted down with some 30-odd tiny rivets so as to make it more difficult to economically replace the thing - and screw in a new one. I'm not yet clear on whether I'll go so far to revive the thing but the level of planned obsolescence in Apple products is quite disgusting to me, seasoned user of previously owned hardware.

Re: How and Why I Stopped Buying New Laptops (2020)

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post #78

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a cloud backup for a 2TB disk is too expensive or to slow. an offline backup is not automatic and only current the moment i run it. a combination of both is more complex. an always synced full backup is difficult to achieve. it is possible when the only places where i use the laptop are at home and at the office. as soon as i add traveling and using expensive mobile data my backup becomes unreliable or to expensive t…

BackBlaze at $7/month is too expensive? And when you are traveling you don’t keep your important documents backed up? What happens if your SSD goes bad? And if a restore would be inconvenient when you are traveling, getting a new laptop and hypothetically connecting your SAD wouldn’t be?

the data storage alone is not the issue. the cost of accessing that data is. not every place has unlimited fast internet that would allow you to download that much data without problems.

with a replaceable SSD i can (and in fact just did a few weeks ago) take the SSD from the old laptop and put it into the new one. took me 5 minutes.

restoring all that data from the cloud would have cost me a few hundred dollars in mobile data fees. or several weeks of visiting a restaurant which has free data, but would also have racked up a restaurant bill not to mention the time that would have been taken away from working.

Re: How and Why I Stopped Buying New Laptops (2020)

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post #38
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> On the contrary, the only thing a consumer can do to improve their laptop’s ecological and economic sustainability is to use it for as long as possible. This is true for everything, not just laptops. Any purchasing that occurrs on a fashion cycle is largly a rip off...

That depends on what you do. a newer cpu is often enough more efficent per unit of work as to pay for itself. I first calculated this when we were arguing if the price of a 80486 was worth it over the cheaper 80386 and if you kept it busy 24x7 you would pay for the new computer in a year from your electric bill (more in summer when you need ac)

The idea of the article is to not run the newer, more demanding software which drives the replacement cycle. Instead install a lightweight Linux or similar and don’t use all those extra CPU cycles.

Re: How and Why I Stopped Buying New Laptops (2020)

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post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BackBlaze at $7/month is too expensive? And when you are traveling you don’t keep your important documents backed up? What happens if your SSD goes bad? And if a restore would be inconvenient when you are traveling, getting a new laptop and hypothetically connecting your SAD wouldn’t be?

the data storage alone is not the issue. the cost of accessing that data is. not every place has unlimited fast internet that would allow you to download that much data without problems. with a replaceable SSD i can (and in fact just did a few weeks ago) take the SSD from the old laptop and put it into the new one. took me 5 minutes. restoring all that data from the cloud would have cost me a few hundred dollars in m…

With BackBlaze you can have them ship you your data on a hard drive. They charge you for the hard drive. But if you send the hard drive, they refund your money.
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