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How China turns members of its diaspora into spies

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Re: How China turns members of its diaspora into spies

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Is this... not a normal practice for all intelligence services of the world? Emigrants always have ties to the originland.

> Emigrants always have ties to the originland. China can coerce it's diaspora through their family ties and social circle back home[1]. That isn't normal and is very difficult to pull off in democratic countries. 1. https://www.propublica.org/article/operation-fox-hunt-how-ch...

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Re: How China turns members of its diaspora into spies

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Think of how many Indian spies exist in the US... Is it OK just because there is no anti India narrative in the US?

India is nowhere near being a superpower that could challenge the US so I think the threat is not the same. Plus Indian society is a bit more open and free than Chinese so lots of people told to spy can easily come out.

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This bc we now realize that China is screwed in the future - the Chinese population will be well under a billion people by 2100 - long before then the only thing their society will be able to do is deal with the problems that come from dropping 500 million people. This is all bc of the 1 Child policy and it cannot be easily fixed - if it can be fixed at all. China can only take Taiwan with the Millennials or Gen Z ge…

I hope you are wrong, but the Russian invasion of the Ukraine might support your view. Russians have a terrible low fertility, integrating the Ukraine into Russia might have been a last shot at staying the ethnic majority in the country. Update: Ih had stetes wrong numbers of the composition of the Russian population before, claiming that only 40 million of russias inhabitants were ethnic Russians. The concern with s…

I don't know where you get your statistics, but Russia's demographics is roughly 70% "ethnic russians," which amounts to about 100m people.

Re: How China turns members of its diaspora into spies

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Experian was hacked and 168 million Americans had all of lives information stolen - the data that is supposed to verify who I am and tracks all of my financial life, everywhere I've ever lived and of course my social security number. Not one thing to fix this was done. Anyone could buy my information and be me, NOTHING was done to fix this insanely huge problem.

America cares very little about actual security beyond military nukes.

I would qualify your statement this way.

In my experience, National Security tends to mean the security of (primarily) the US Gov and (secondarily) Gov contractors and major campaign donors. National Security applies to individuals when justification is needed to deploy systems that surveil Americans (not suspected of a crime).

Re: How China turns members of its diaspora into spies

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Don't most countries do this? I am pretty sure the US has lots of spies everywhere and they spy on allies (famously on Angela Merkel's phone) and enemies. Israel spies on other countries including the US. Does China do anything differently?

Does CIA recruit US citizens living abroad into spying for the US?

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Soon enough anything that is even remotely a security threat (pretty much any non-trivial app) will require clearance and in office work. The North Korean hacks into several companies are an example of how bad it is now, add in some good deep fake technology and soon you will not be able to distinguish who is actually working for your company.

> Soon enough anything that is even remotely a security threat [...] will require clearance and in office work. I think this is one of those things that sucks but may be necessary. You need to trust the knowledge workers that make up your economy to not send your research to a hostile nation so they can take advantage of your R&D investments. And you need to know that your critical infrastructure (beyond Internet and…

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Re: How China turns members of its diaspora into spies

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There is a lot wrong with the US, and I (not American BTW) will criticise it quite freely and frequently BUT comparing the US to China is just ridiculous. What the US does can be criticised by its citizens, and protested. People can be punished. Wrongdoing can be exposed. Plenty of people in the US criticise the invasion of Iraq. I doubt many Chinese will find it safe to criticise the occupation of Tibet. Democracies…

yes the US has better rule of law and is an actual democracy, for sure. but China does not seem to be so bad by the standards that we hold our own allies to, so to me it is unclear why we have become locked into this neo cold war so quickly. some of our allies make china look like a saint in comparison

Which of our allies make China look like a saint?
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