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An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by fpgeek »

taligent wrote: post #54
jbarham wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now if Google can just distribute it beyond the initial five launch nations... That's still much better than the Amazon Fire which AFAIK isn't even sold outside of the US. See also this article from The Verge: http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/28/3122716/nexus-7-internatio... ("The Nexus 7's most important price is £159, not $199").

Amazon Fire is available in Australia I know that much. And why compare yourself against Amazon when Apple is rumored to be launching an iPad Mini which will be sold in 30+ countries almost immediately after launch.

There's available and "available". I have do doubt there are at least a few importers who buy Kindle Fires in the US and are selling them in Australia, but that's not the same as the Kindle Fire truly being available in Australia (the way the Nexus 7 is). Unlike other Kindles, Amazon will refuse to ship a Kindle Fire to Australia. I think that's a pretty clear statement from Amazon on Australian availability.

Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by lerouxb »

nl wrote: post #26
r00fus wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a google device, not a run-of-the-mill Android device (most of which are not on ICS much less JB). This point is very important - it makes the device more like an iOS one - more likely for updates, more fine touches as Google's cred rests on it. If we see other tablets of similar calibre to the nexus7, then yes - you can say "Android" compares/best iOS. But for right now, it's nexus7 vs. iPad or Kindle Fire.

This is a google device, not a run-of-the-mill Android device (most of which are not on ICS much less JB). I think almost all brand name tablets are on ICS now. This point is very important - it makes the device more like an iOS one - more likely for updates, more fine touches as Google's cred rests on it Have you actually used something like the Asus Transformer? It's very, very good. I have a MBP, Linux Laptop, Win…

How much time could you possibly spend with each of your devices?

Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by ximeng »

vibrunazo wrote: post #60
georgemcbay wrote: post #3

I actually think that post-ICS and especially with Jelly Bean that Android is a superior tablet OS to iOS, at least for me. There's basically no feature on iOS that I miss when I'm on Android, but a few (eg. custom keyboards, the overall intent system, etc) that I miss when I'm on iOS. iOS still kills Android for app availability though (especially when it comes to "tablet optimized" apps) and between that and iOS ec…

> iOS still kills Android for app availability though (especially when it comes to "tablet optimized" apps) I keep hearing that. But never seen it backed up. Based on exactly what does people say this? There's no efficient way to "count" Android tablet optimized apps. So how do you compare? Is it because there are some major apps that still works bad on Android tablets? If so, which ones? I remember when Honeycomb ju…

Another example. I'm in Hong Kong and I see them advertising a real time next train app on the MTR, i.e. subway system. iPhone only. They support Android, but iPhone comes first:

http://www.mtr.com.hk/eng/whatsnew/mtrmobile.html

Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by Peaker »

konstruktor wrote: post #74
Peaker wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought a Galaxy Nexus phone for my girlfriend so we wouldn't have to worry about updates anymore. It's still stuck on 4.0.1 with no update in sight...

Jelly Bean is a development preview at the moment. I suppose that, like iOS 6, you have to enroll into the developer program to get it.

4.0.1 is multiple versions behind even the 4.0 branch though. 4.0.4 is already available in the Galaxy Nexus models that run the Google-maintained version.

Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by taligent »

vibrunazo wrote: post #60
georgemcbay wrote: post #3

I actually think that post-ICS and especially with Jelly Bean that Android is a superior tablet OS to iOS, at least for me. There's basically no feature on iOS that I miss when I'm on Android, but a few (eg. custom keyboards, the overall intent system, etc) that I miss when I'm on iOS. iOS still kills Android for app availability though (especially when it comes to "tablet optimized" apps) and between that and iOS ec…

> iOS still kills Android for app availability though (especially when it comes to "tablet optimized" apps) I keep hearing that. But never seen it backed up. Based on exactly what does people say this? There's no efficient way to "count" Android tablet optimized apps. So how do you compare? Is it because there are some major apps that still works bad on Android tablets? If so, which ones? I remember when Honeycomb ju…

It's pretty clear you've never actually seen an iPad app.

Because if you had then you would know that just because you can view a "mobile" website on your laptop it doesn't make it optimal. iPad apps are specifically designed to make best use of the real estate and there are a number of iPad-only UI concepts.

Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by taligent »

mtgx wrote: post #37

Why would you want to hold your tablet with two hands, other than perhaps gaming? But I figure it should be easier to play them if it's smaller. You're using the iPad with 2 hands, because you don't usually have a choice. I do think Google needs to make the next version 7.7"-8", though. I think 7" is a little too small. Basically they should make one that is as large as possible (but up to 8"), which you can still ho…

The same reason everyone doesn't read books with one hand.

It's more comfortable to hold it with two.

Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by lloeki »

cageface wrote: post #2

I have to give Siegler credit for actually posting an objective review of an Android device. No matter which side you favor in the tablet wars I think you have to agree that we're better off as hackers and consumers in a market with real competition. Rather than picking sides we should be happy that Apple and Google are pushing each other to improve their hardware and software at a rate we rarely see in consumer elec…

> we're better off as hackers and consumers in a market with real competition

On the tablet market, the competition was decimated by the iPad, which was, objectively, overall better than any contender, and by a comfortable margin. Yes Android could potentially do stuff better than iOS, yes hardware could be non-crap, but what was going out of the door was not even in the same league at all. The only one that had real potential at some point was the WebOS based one†.

Until now.

The trouble was that if you had the balls to tell this fact you were irrevocably dismissed as an Apple fanatic.

I long for this tablet to be available outside North America.

†The Kindle Fire is completely under-specced in terms of quality. The Nexus 7 and iPad are both way better.

Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by redthrowaway »

taligent wrote: post #53
redthrowaway wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Objective, to me, means 'not based upon personal tastes, opinions, and biases'. So this review is completely subjective, as it's based entirely upon what he likes. Regardless, it is nice to see him set the homer hat aside and write an article that wasn't either heaping praise on Apple or scorn on Google. MG Siegler is as subjective as any reviewer, but that's not what matters. What matters is that you can usually tel…

Right so your definition of objective is "agrees with what I think". And if he doesn't then he works for Apple PR.

Were you trying to reply to someone else, or did you misread what I wrote?

Re: An iPad Lover’s Take On The Nexus 7

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Post by lloeki »

tjogin wrote: post #69
cageface wrote: post #2

I have to give Siegler credit for actually posting an objective review of an Android device. No matter which side you favor in the tablet wars I think you have to agree that we're better off as hackers and consumers in a market with real competition. Rather than picking sides we should be happy that Apple and Google are pushing each other to improve their hardware and software at a rate we rarely see in consumer elec…

An objective review is an oxymoron. All opinions are subjective by their very nature.

John Siracusa's reviews of Mac OS X are the kind of reviews I would consider the closer to "objective". The amount of technical and factual data he gives leaves much less room to subjectivity than say, this review.
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