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Google starts tracking all your devices in 8 weeks

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Re: Google starts tracking all your devices in 8 weeks

#81

>“also giving people the privacy protections they expect.” My expectation is you don't fucking store any data about me to be used for advertisements/AI/etc and everything is opt-in, period. Where is that option?

"We will tell you what to expect, and you will like it."

Re: Google starts tracking all your devices in 8 weeks

#83
post #44

Does blocking Google Tag Manager help? The site you're talking to can still read your data, but most third party sites can be cut off. Privacy Badger will let you block Google Tag Manager, and while it warns you that some sites will break, few do.

Its not clear to me how much this will help; but based on how tags work, it seems like it should help at least somewhat. I use Privacy Badger on both Firefox on PC and Android and haven't run into any sites that break, other than maybe something like Ticketmaster? I'm sure it makes less of a difference on an Android device, where Google has other hooks to track me, but any little bit helps.

Re: Google starts tracking all your devices in 8 weeks

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post #47

We have kernel level anti cheat systems for games. So how about kernel level anti tracking? Browsers use system calls to provide the information used for fingerprinting the device, so why not intercept these calls and lie. Have all users present an identical fingerprints and we're back to pre google times. Yes, we lose some important functionality, but maybe it's a price worth paying? Never mind the other elephants i…

This is what the Tor Browser is designed to do, and it does it very well (all in userspace no less). The main drawback is that some sites don't render as nicely and occasionally a site simply doesn't work.

The most important anti-tracking feature Tor has other than IP masking is disabling JavaScript by default. That's a complete non-starter for the modern web.

Re: Google starts tracking all your devices in 8 weeks

#85
post #47

We have kernel level anti cheat systems for games. So how about kernel level anti tracking? Browsers use system calls to provide the information used for fingerprinting the device, so why not intercept these calls and lie. Have all users present an identical fingerprints and we're back to pre google times. Yes, we lose some important functionality, but maybe it's a price worth paying? Never mind the other elephants i…

It's more complicated than that. You can use subtle differences in hardware and GPU rendering so that syscalls aren't even relevant. And you can never really prevent timing attacks, because you can just use a network request to get the current time from the server.

I've been wondering how hard it would be to make a completely fingerprint-proof browser.

One idea would be to run it in a deterministic emulator. All machine code instructions would be guaranteed to take exactly the same amount of time to execute on every machine, as far as is observable to the browser, and threads would be scheduled in the same order every time. Zero access to the host system through fonts, WebGL etc.

This would mean a massive performance penalty, but modern computers are fast enough that it might be usable for many sites. You could have a small number of discrete speed tiers, where you use the fastest tier that your computer is capable of.

Re: Google starts tracking all your devices in 8 weeks

#86
post #33

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Sites preferring geolocation over Accept-Language as a means of picking the language is one of my pet peeves. Preferring geolocation over a logged in user's stored setting is beyond absurd.

With weirdly sticky behavior too once you’ve left that area. My google sign in prompt was in Italian for over a decade after logging in there once on a family vacation. Only with the latest login revamp did that setting finally get purged. Everything else was always english, profile set to english etc.

I’ve just had an issue where my google searches were stuck defaulting to Sydney, Australia after being there for one week.

Re: Google starts tracking all your devices in 8 weeks

#87
post #65

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Yes. The browser innocently gives away tons of information for surveillance capitalism corporations to leech. It is a if the web and browser developers lived in an innocent world

The largest browser is owned by a surveillance firm

Why anyone would use Chrome blows my mind a bit. Brave is a superior browser in every single aspect of a browser and as of rn - you do not see ads on the Internet.

It's such a no brainer, I can't comprehend it.

Re: Google starts tracking all your devices in 8 weeks

#88

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Personally, I went the nuclear route with a Pihole. My devices can’t talk to Google.

This works until you start living with someone who gets frustrated by things like sponsored results not working (completely fair, because they are often highly relevant).

I came back home to my parents house this christmas and my parents and my brother complained to my why the Google sponsored links don't work anymore (because I've set their DNS to an adblock DNS).

I couldn't believe what they were saying. Their words didn't make sense to me. I ended up in removing all adblock- and privacy-related settings in our router - it felt like a defeat.

Re: Google starts tracking all your devices in 8 weeks

#89
OT but anyone else finds it ironic that we had multiple articles telling us how Forbes publishes AI generated articles way outside their expertise and still we're seeing Forbes articles regularly on HN?

Like, I know that apparently this one is a personal blog, but why does anyone even set up a blog at Forbes. Sometimes I wonder about this.

And actually, even when knowing it's a personal blog and me a serious, I cannot really take it serious anymore when seeing the Forbes URL. I am more inclined to skip chapters, to look for AI slop, and to not take the views of the author as independent. Not consciously, but subconsciously.

Re: Google starts tracking all your devices in 8 weeks

#90
post #28

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breaking up chrome would be a blunder though, because of their massive funding to mozilla, it could kill FF

it could most certainly kill Mozilla, but it will surely not kill Firefox

A good result.
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