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Re: Matt Mullenweg temporarily shuts down some Wordpress.org functions

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Post by jorams »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #69
jorams wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm confused why this statement stood out to you. Isn't that exactly what the court ordered? WP Engine could no longer be denied access to wordpress.org services, and thus he is now legally compelled to provide them with the services of wordpress.org.

Because no the court did not order any such thing. I'm confused why you think it did. That was a lie. I'm not confused. It's just that the obvious explaination is not flattering.

The court order is at [1]. On page 41 and 42 it orders WP Engine's access to wordpress.org services to be reinstated to what it was on September 20, including all that entails. Thus he is now legally compelled to provide the wordpress.org services to WP Engine. He also provides those services to everyone else and used to provide them to WP Engine, but that doesn't make the statement false.

[1]: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25451524-wp-engine-v...

Re: Matt Mullenweg temporarily shuts down some Wordpress.org functions

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Post by nolok »

acdha wrote: post #77
frereubu wrote: post #34

I run a WordPress agency and I'm absolutely horrified by all of this. It's not cutting through to our clients yet, but building on WordPress suddenly feels incredibly risky when one person can throw their toys out of the pram - the pineapple checkbox is just fucking ridiculous - and derail an entire ecosystem. I really wish there was some kind of mechanism to cut Matt entirely out of WordPress because he deserves to…

I wish he had someone who he trusted who could help him get therapy. So many people have benefited from his project but now anyone with a business is going to ask whether he’s about to do something wild, which is a tragic end for such a popular open source project.

That's also what happens when you clear house of everyone but the yes men (which he did with his large severance offer for anyone not willing to say yes to anything he said).

Yes men make you feel better, but they're nowhere to be seen whenever you actually need help.

Re: Matt Mullenweg temporarily shuts down some Wordpress.org functions

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Post by Brian_K_White »

jorams wrote: post #81
Brian_K_White wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because no the court did not order any such thing. I'm confused why you think it did. That was a lie. I'm not confused. It's just that the obvious explaination is not flattering.

The court order is at [1]. On page 41 and 42 it orders WP Engine's access to wordpress.org services to be reinstated to what it was on September 20, including all that entails. Thus he is now legally compelled to provide the wordpress.org services to WP Engine. He also provides those services to everyone else and used to provide them to WP Engine, but that doesn't make the statement false. [1]: https://www.documentcl…

The court ordered him not to discriminate and not to interfere.

The court ordered that IF you want to enjoy the benefits of operating a business within the framework of services and certainties provided by the country, you can't mysteriously always be out of flour just for the black family. If you offer a service for published terms, then anyone meeting the terms gets to procure the service.

This is not compelled labor or materials or anything, because you are not compelled to operate a business.

Re: Matt Mullenweg temporarily shuts down some Wordpress.org functions

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Post by nextworddev »

philistine wrote: post #63
nextworddev wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What he’s doing is basically what every cloud provider does but for some reason he is demonized even more

Could you point me to the post from AWS complaining that they have to provide free labour?

GCP and AWS are obviously more tactful and call that open source and partner ecosystem strategy

Re: Matt Mullenweg temporarily shuts down some Wordpress.org functions

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Post by mkopinsky »

josefresco wrote: post #76
xnx wrote: post #48

Through all of this, has there been discussion about how WordPress is "freeloading" off of PHP, MySQL, etc.?

Yes, and as a result of that public shaming effort Automattic increased their contributions to the PHP Foundation by 2.5x: https://x.com/ThePHPF/status/1853390265429508427

$250k is a respectable amount, but shouldn't it be based on a percentage of their revenue? /s

Re: Matt Mullenweg temporarily shuts down some Wordpress.org functions

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Post by serial_dev »

phoe-krk wrote: post #3

> As you may have heard, I’m legally compelled to provide free labor and services to WP Engine thanks to the success of their expensive lawyers, so in order to avoid bothering the court I will say that none of the above applies to WP Engine, so if they need to bypass any of the above please just have your high-priced attorneys talk to my high-priced attorneys and we’ll arrange access, or just reach out directly to me…

I wouldn't say it's revenge, but this meant to cause a stir, so that the few people who don't know about this unfortunate legal battle will hear about it. I wouldn't be surprised if he was so delusional that he thinks this will gain him and his web of companies more sympathy.

He slaps the WordPress community in the face, out of nowhere, then he points at WP Engine, and says: "Isn't it a shame that these a*holes made me slap you... again?".

I'm just speculating in this whole comment, but this is how I interpret this current chapter of the drama.

Re: Matt Mullenweg temporarily shuts down some Wordpress.org functions

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Post by acdha »

nolok wrote: post #82
acdha wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish he had someone who he trusted who could help him get therapy. So many people have benefited from his project but now anyone with a business is going to ask whether he’s about to do something wild, which is a tragic end for such a popular open source project.

That's also what happens when you clear house of everyone but the yes men (which he did with his large severance offer for anyone not willing to say yes to anything he said). Yes men make you feel better, but they're nowhere to be seen whenever you actually need help.

Definitely: he radiates someone who hasn’t had to defend his decisions for years.

Re: Matt Mullenweg temporarily shuts down some Wordpress.org functions

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Post by Kye »

vinchley wrote: post #43
utopicwork wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess this isnt well known here but Matt (or his mods) kicked a trans woman off tumblr and then followed her across platforms to try and shut her up

Matt's actual tweet, for context: https://i.redd.it/asjc0wtjarkc1.png Those usernames say it all really.

They don't, really.

Trans shitposting is an art form, and it often involves silly names.

This is why it's a problem when platforms get too big. Context collapses because they can't have enough moderators to understand and appropriately handle every little niche goof. It looks a certain way from a naive analysis, but is obviously not (necessarily) what it looks like to that analysis with the tiniest bit of extra information.

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