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A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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I think insurance prices will drive adoption of self driving very quickly. Consider: if a non-self driving car is in an accident with a self driving car, it'll almost always be the non-self driving car at fault. And with the telemetry from the self-driving car, they can prove it too, so accidents that would have been no-fault or shared fault become fully the non-self driving cars fault. And so I think insurance for n…

Outside of mapped and heavily driven teritory? Good luck.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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Elon Musk is already planning on scrapping the self driving crash reporting: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/trump-...

So Musk is effectively the most powerful man on the planet right now, he's a major player in 3 key industries, and the head of effective (de)regulation in the largest consumer market by dollar volume. Isn't this a bit like ole' good Crassus in ancient Rome? Head of the government and richest buddy aroubnd? If history repeats, we'll see the American Imperial Era rising up very soon, were the interests of the state wil…

> the interests of the state will fraction between the interests of the oligarchs and the lines blurry between law and personal convenience of the wealthist citizens

That's basically cyberpunk. And yes, we're pretty much heading towards megacorps.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

#83
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So one day my car insurance company will tell me: "you have to pay us more because you are driving yourself".

Well really it would be "you get a discount for the percentage of your mileage driven with a autopilot enabled." You can pay less if you drive in a setting that saves the insurance company money (on average).

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon Musk is already planning on scrapping the self driving crash reporting: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/trump-...

So Musk is effectively the most powerful man on the planet right now, he's a major player in 3 key industries, and the head of effective (de)regulation in the largest consumer market by dollar volume. Isn't this a bit like ole' good Crassus in ancient Rome? Head of the government and richest buddy aroubnd? If history repeats, we'll see the American Imperial Era rising up very soon, were the interests of the state wil…

Crassus died pursuing an absurd extremely expensive boondoggle. So if history is to repeat itself maybe SpaceX is sending that rocket to Mars after all.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

#85

I think insurance prices will drive adoption of self driving very quickly. Consider: if a non-self driving car is in an accident with a self driving car, it'll almost always be the non-self driving car at fault. And with the telemetry from the self-driving car, they can prove it too, so accidents that would have been no-fault or shared fault become fully the non-self driving cars fault. And so I think insurance for n…

Outside of mapped and heavily driven teritory? Good luck.

> Outside of mapped and heavily driven teritory?

Why wouldn't rates go up for drivers driving outside mapped and well-driven territory?

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

#86
post #56

I rode in a Waymo recently and was amazed at how good it was. It was easily in the top 5 best drivers I have ridden with. Really really impressive. It wasn’t nearly as cautious or timid as I expected it to be. But it also wasn’t reckless. I would describe it as assertive, but I’m sure some people would call it aggressive. It knows the rules and what’s going on around and acts accordingly. This really should be the no…

The whole thing with self-driving cars is that it feels like the story of NASA's space pen. All this money being poured into a technology that would not be needed if the richest country in the world had the common sense of simply getting rid of its car dependency and developed proper public transit infrastructure.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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You're "objectively" higher risk, based on a study by the company building the autopilot, right? How objective is that?

That's ad hominem. The only question is whether the research is correct, and the data is true. Having said that, with time we will have more independent studies.

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Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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And what staff levels are required to do the "self-driving" ? In number of back-end remote human operators per self-driving car.

I get that some administrative oversight in always going to be needed, but to what extent is the AI "Actually Indians" at present?

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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My favorite brain picker question: What year would the EU* ban human driven cars on public roads? That's it. Million different opinions ranging from "never" to "within a couple decades for sure", weak, strong opinions, and of course many interesting topics to branch out into. *: sometimes I ask with US, or particular countries, it doesn't really matter for the sake of conversation. Fun fact: people working in automot…

Have they banned horses yet? My money is on never. This technology doesn’t need a ban to succeed. It just needs to be allowed.

Horse accidents aren't a leading cause of death though. Seems like it'll depend on how thoroughly self-driving becomes a thing of the past on its own.
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