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Re: Want to book a Ryanair flight? Prepare for a face scan

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Post by hoseja »

rob74 wrote: post #32
hoseja wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Modern airliner travel is about as or more co2-efficient as riding a bus.

If the airplanes are completely full (which, despite all attempts by Ryanair to scare away their customers, they apparently still are). But this fails to account for "induced demand": if flights would be more expensive or less convenient, people wouldn't fly on weekend trips/holidays, visiting relatives in faraway countries etc. as frequently as they do now.

So you are against human flourishing. I see.

Re: Want to book a Ryanair flight? Prepare for a face scan

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Post by buttercraft »

Eumenes wrote: post #16
amelius wrote: post #4

This is a good thing. Let them put those facial scans on a wall of shame. Generating CO2 should be as awkward and uncomfortable as possible. I'm waiting for airlines to remove all passenger seats.

I'm all for making travel more expensive. Mostly to remove the trashy and rude people from the equation. I don't care about C02 but I do enjoy seeing megalomaniacs like John Kerry and Taylor Swift lecture us plebs on climate/social justice, but fly private jets everywhere.

Now I'm trying to imagine Taylor Swift hanging out at gate B22 waiting for a flight. Pandemonium.

Re: Want to book a Ryanair flight? Prepare for a face scan

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Post by eesmith »

technothrasher wrote: post #46
grishka wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Most airlines allow you to manage your booking with your last name and PNR. Which is perfectly fine. You would usually only need an account for two things: the loyalty/miles program, and having your details autofilled next time you book.

I remember the good old day when you could just walk up and buy a paper ticket, and that was all you needed to board the plane. They'd ask for your name, but you could give them any name, they didn't care. I realize that we're a long way from that world now, and we could never go back to it, but it sure was nice.

People Express let you buy your ticket onboard back in the 1980s.

Re: Want to book a Ryanair flight? Prepare for a face scan

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Post by RamblingCTO »

Eumenes wrote: post #57
RamblingCTO wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It got a magnitude more expensive since covid. Private jets are the problem, not Kate from the UK flying to Tenerife once a year via ryan air.

You think private jet flights outnumber commercial ones?

That's not the argument? The per person CO2 is way higher. Do I really have to explain basic things like that?

Re: Want to book a Ryanair flight? Prepare for a face scan

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Post by RamblingCTO »

aziaziazi wrote: post #65
RamblingCTO wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It got a magnitude more expensive since covid. Private jets are the problem, not Kate from the UK flying to Tenerife once a year via ryan air.

A magnitude is very exaggerated. Also consider Covid won’t change the obvious trend since the 50’s: https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/32068/average-price-of-ai... Regarding jets vs mass transport, I think it is misleading to oppose them. Remove all the jets on the planet and we’ll have exactly the same sustainability trouble. My old dad points the fault of rich people taking jets to go everywhere, and also the fault…

I'm not arguing that. I was arguing against "RyanAir is the problem". When jets are contributing way more to climate change than mass transport, why argue against the most efficient of all air transport and not the biggest CO2 producers? Doesn't make any sense to me.

Re: Want to book a Ryanair flight? Prepare for a face scan

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Post by madjam002 »

lifestyleguru wrote: post #56
7bit wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Thank God in Germany it is forbidden to requiring an account for online purchases and you can buy anything online without needing to register for an account first.

Most merchants and service providers keep your shadow account after purchase anyway. If you are lawyery kind of person you can request deleting the shadow account by contacting them and giving away even more of your personal details.

Exactly, an account has been created for you anyway and the merchant holds pretty much the same amount of data on you, so I think requiring an account is a good thing as then at least you know that a company holds all these records about you.

To be clear for online purchases I think it's a nice convenience to be able to buy without requiring an account, but for flights it's an entirely different game, you often need to provide a lot more PII.

Re: Want to book a Ryanair flight? Prepare for a face scan

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Post by madjam002 »

shever73 wrote: post #6
madjam002 wrote: post #3

Requiring an account to book a flight seems perfectly reasonable to me

Could you elaborate on why that seems reasonable to you? The airline will already have my passport and credit card details, home address and mobile number. In my opinion, it should be the user's choice whether they create an account or not.

To me it seems reasonable because I’m already providing a lot of information to the airline, name, ID card, maybe even passport. If accounts are optional, this data is still being stored, probably against some kind of “shadow user” account, which ironically is more difficult to reason about or remember if you wanted to exercise your rights under the DPA.

Re: Want to book a Ryanair flight? Prepare for a face scan

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Post by aziaziazi »

RamblingCTO wrote: post #85
aziaziazi wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A magnitude is very exaggerated. Also consider Covid won’t change the obvious trend since the 50’s: https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/32068/average-price-of-ai... Regarding jets vs mass transport, I think it is misleading to oppose them. Remove all the jets on the planet and we’ll have exactly the same sustainability trouble. My old dad points the fault of rich people taking jets to go everywhere, and also the fault…

I'm not arguing that. I was arguing against "RyanAir is the problem". When jets are contributing way more to climate change than mass transport, why argue against the most efficient of all air transport and not the biggest CO2 producers? Doesn't make any sense to me.

I agree with you on a philosophical view to maximise equality while minimizing climate change, which is very noble. I still think Kate’s RyanAir is a very important problem to address in parallel than worse problem like jets.

Re: Want to book a Ryanair flight? Prepare for a face scan

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Post by 7bit »

lifestyleguru wrote: post #56
7bit wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Thank God in Germany it is forbidden to requiring an account for online purchases and you can buy anything online without needing to register for an account first.

Most merchants and service providers keep your shadow account after purchase anyway. If you are lawyery kind of person you can request deleting the shadow account by contacting them and giving away even more of your personal details.

That is not the point. Of course they have data about me. That requirement is dictated by tax law. I really don't care if the seller creates a shadow account or not, that's his problem.

The point is that I'm not forced to create and manage an account and I can do a second purchase without having to remember or reset a password to an account that was forced upon me.

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