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Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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Re: Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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Post by dfox »

ljf wrote: post #32
rob74 wrote: post #13

> While the Memes generally refer to the 3210 or the 3310, the classic 5110 is no less a condender for most robust general use mobile phone available. The reason for that (I think) is not that the 5110 is less robust, but that the 3210 and 3310 were much more widespread - they came onto the market when mobile phones really started to become widespread, while the 5110 (their predecessor), with its stub antenna and bul…

Totally! When I got my Nokia 5146 (still basically a 5110) - you had to pay I think £50 for the phone, plus the contract of £15 a month. A month or two later you could get the 3210 for free, plus a better contract from orange, that took advantage of the MMS options - plus had the programmable ringtones which was soooooo much cooler than the 5110. I was lucky to jump from the 5110 to the 8210, and then to a 8250 which…

3210 did not support MMS, but EMS with some semi-proprietary extensions. Sending images and ringtones over EMS was generally not interoperable between different vendors.

MMS is much later technology where the user data go over HTTP, which implies at least WAP support and GPRS to be really practical.

Re: Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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Post by 0_____0 »

ninjin wrote: post #43
jcul wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I bought a Nokia 2660. After probably a month or so the hinge brackets broke from normal use. Nokia refused to refund / repair it saying that only a drop could have caused it. I replaced it with an AGM M8 which is a great dumbphone.

Thank you both for the warnings. I have been looking for a "dumb" phone and arrived at the Nokia and now I am eyeing up the AGM M8 FLIP Security+ [1] instead. [1]: https://www.agmmobile.com/products/agm-m8-security

I'm noticing that the pricing is completely different on my desktop and mobile - I'm seeing the M8 Flip Security+ for $79 on mobile and $116 after sale cuts on desktop. I don't think it's a currency issue, I think it's a "my VPNs are set to exit IPs in different countries" thing. High in CA (with currency set to Global US$), low with Swedish IP.

Re: Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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Post by hackertux »

Double_a_92 wrote: post #33
apetresc wrote: post #23

I'm not too well-versed in hardware - is it really that easy to swap out a 2G modem with a 4G modem and have it "just work" without touching the drivers? Even if the baseband/modem chips miraculously do conform perfectly to some I/O protocol at the hardware level despite being multiple generations apart, wouldn't the difference in timings break whatever firmware the Nokia 5110 has, which was expecting only a single v…

I think the idea here is to basically create a new phone, but use the original case, buttons and display.

I just wish I could buy a phone that has the same look and feel (sound, screen, etc.) as the 5110, is compatible with modern networks, and has a modern battery.

Re: Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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Post by jhncls »

grishka wrote: post #63
palata wrote: post #62

What I learned with this article is the English idiom: "Don’t count your chickens before they’re hatched." Which in my language translates to: "You should not sell the bear’s skin before killing it." Not that it appears in the article, but rather because the author wrote the blog post before doing the thing. Which results in a blog post essentially saying "here is the cool thing I plan to do", which was apparently ne…

Which language is it? In mine it's almost the same, "don't divide the skin of a non-killed bear".

In French, the bear is killed. In Spanish, he is chased. In Dutch, he is shot. The Spanish look adventurous, and the French straight-forward.

Re: Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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Post by toast0 »

apetresc wrote: post #23

I'm not too well-versed in hardware - is it really that easy to swap out a 2G modem with a 4G modem and have it "just work" without touching the drivers? Even if the baseband/modem chips miraculously do conform perfectly to some I/O protocol at the hardware level despite being multiple generations apart, wouldn't the difference in timings break whatever firmware the Nokia 5110 has, which was expecting only a single v…

As a sibling says, this likely won't work for a Nokia feature phone, because it's an integrated design and there's no separate modem.

For a design with a modem module and a ux module, it might possibly just work to swap things out, but it would depend on how VoLTE is supported. If that is all managed by the modem module, then you're probably good.

These modem modules are generally a serial port that speaks Hayes (AT) protocol. Plus some analog lines for mic and speaker. Some 4g modules might be serial over USB and may leave VoLTE entirely up to the application module, that's going go look different.

Some of the modules are a qualcom SoC that runs headless Android. Which works, I guess, but seems bizarre.

Re: Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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Post by Paianni »

josephernest wrote: post #35

Pro tip: don't buy the new versions "Nokia 3210 2024" and similar models. I did, two times, with slightly different models, and they are of exceptionally poor quality: dead after one year, very buggy firmware. The customer support is an AI with no real answer. They recommended to install an app "from the Google Play app store" which is nonsense for a dumbphone. They are very cheap noname phones, branded with the name…

I have a 235 4G and I'd say the firmware is 'quirky' but not particularly buggy in the five months I've had it.

Re: Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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Post by toast0 »

Etheryte wrote: post #9
rbanffy wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd kill for an EV 914. Although I also loved the sound of that little engine.

While I really like the idea, I think we're still too far out tech wise to make it a reality in a way that it would live up to the dream. EVs of today are really heavy and even with a fairly small range, I fear the weight from the batteries would butcher any kind of driving experience for a car like that. In time though, I hope we get plenty of old cars retrofitted to be EVs as the tech becomes lighter, cheaper and m…

People have been making EV VW Beetle since forever. The 914 is just a weird looking Beetle. :P

Probably have to accept it would be a short range car for going to work in warm but not hot weather and not a touring car.

Re: Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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Post by ljf »

dfox wrote: post #81
ljf wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally! When I got my Nokia 5146 (still basically a 5110) - you had to pay I think £50 for the phone, plus the contract of £15 a month. A month or two later you could get the 3210 for free, plus a better contract from orange, that took advantage of the MMS options - plus had the programmable ringtones which was soooooo much cooler than the 5110. I was lucky to jump from the 5110 to the 8210, and then to a 8250 which…

3210 did not support MMS, but EMS with some semi-proprietary extensions. Sending images and ringtones over EMS was generally not interoperable between different vendors. MMS is much later technology where the user data go over HTTP, which implies at least WAP support and GPRS to be really practical.

You are totally correct - I was thinking of 'picture messages' which this could send. I was only a little jealous of the 3210 as i thought it was quite ugly really, but the 3310 seemed a heap better, especially with the blue led (which is what sold me on the 8250).

Re: Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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Post by ninjin »

0_____0 wrote: post #82
ninjin wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you both for the warnings. I have been looking for a "dumb" phone and arrived at the Nokia and now I am eyeing up the AGM M8 FLIP Security+ [1] instead. [1]: https://www.agmmobile.com/products/agm-m8-security

I'm noticing that the pricing is completely different on my desktop and mobile - I'm seeing the M8 Flip Security+ for $79 on mobile and $116 after sale cuts on desktop. I don't think it's a currency issue, I think it's a "my VPNs are set to exit IPs in different countries" thing. High in CA (with currency set to Global US$), low with Swedish IP.

Try AliExpress, the prices there look unbeatable and are from AGM official stores at that.

Re: Nokia 5110 – Back from the Dead (2022)

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Post by morsch »

cardanome wrote: post #76
michalhosna wrote: post #41

> The Nokia 5110 is a 2G telephone, meaning it uses the original 2G mobile network to communicate. This network has long been decommissioned in most western countries, including Australia. In Europe, 3G is shutting down, but 2G as a fallback seems to be staying for years to come. > However, 2G networks were still available as of 2023 in most parts of the world, while notably excluding the majority of carriers in Nort…

2G is still strong in Germany as some industrial applications rely on it. It is not going to be deprecated any time soon. Maybe once they run out of spare parts. Germany's mobile network is worse than most third world countries. Working on a train? No internet for you! Going a few meters outside a settlement? Might not even be able to do calls.

Such an exaggeration. >92% of the area is served with 5G. Calls are available in 98%-99% of the area (though sometimes just from one of the operators). Some trains were built in a way that blocks reception, though those have had repeaters or wifi for a while. I know plenty of people who work from the train every day.

Sources:

https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilung...

https://www.bundesnetzagentur.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilung...

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intrain-Repeater

https://www.heise.de/en/news/Mobile-communications-for-rail-...

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