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Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

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Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

#81

Big companies can be slow to pivot, and Google has been famously bad at getting people aligned and driving in one direction. But, once they do get moving in the right direction the can achieve things that smaller companies can't. Google has an insane amount of talent in this space, and seems to be getting the right results from that now. Remains to be seen how well they will be able to productize and market, but hard…

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Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

#82

This naming is confusing... Anyway, I'm glad that this Google release is actually available right away! I pay for Gemini Advanced and I see "Gemini Flash 2.0" as an option in the model selector. I've been going through Advent of Code this year, and testing each problem with each model (GPT-4o, o1, o1 Pro, Claude Sonnet, Opus, Gemini Pro 1.5). Gemini has done decent, but is probably the weakest of the bunch. It failed…

I use a Claude and Gemini a lot for coding and I realized there is no good or best model. Every model has it's upside and downside. I was trying to get authentication working according to the newer guidelines of Manifest V3 for browser extensions and every model is terrible. It is one use case where there is not much information or right documentation so every model makesup stuff. But this is my experience and I don't speak for everyone.

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

#84

OT: I’m not entirely sure why, but "agentic" sets my teeth on edge. I don't mind the concept, but the word itself has that hollow, buzzwordy flavor I associate with overblown LinkedIn jargon, particularly as it is not actually in the dictionary...unlike perfectly serviceable entries such as "versatile", "multifaceted" or "autonomous"

Yeah I hate it when AI companies throw around words like AGI and agentic capabilities. It’s non sense to most people and ambiguous at best

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

#85
post #5

We’re definitely going to need better benchmarks for agentic tasks, and not just code reasoning. Things that are needlessly painful that humans go through all the time

it's insane on lmarena for a size, livebench should have it soon too I guess

The size isn't stated, not necessarily a given that it's as small as 1.5-Flash.

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

#86

Big companies can be slow to pivot, and Google has been famously bad at getting people aligned and driving in one direction. But, once they do get moving in the right direction the can achieve things that smaller companies can't. Google has an insane amount of talent in this space, and seems to be getting the right results from that now. Remains to be seen how well they will be able to productize and market, but hard…

With many research areas converging to comparable levels, the most critical piece is arguably vertical integration and forgoing the Nvidia tax.

They haven't wielded this advantage as powerfully as possible, but changes here could signal how committed they are to slaying the search cash cow.

Nadella deservedly earned acclaim for transitioning Microsoft from the Windows era to cloud and mobile.

It will be far more impressive if Google can defy the odds and conquer the innovator's dilemma with search.

Regardless, congratulations to Google on an amazing release and pushing the frontiers of innovation.

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

#87

Jules looks like it's going after Devin

Claude MCP does the same thing. It’s the setup that is hard. It will do push pull create branch automatically from a single prompt. 500$ a month for Devin could be worth it if you want it taken care off plus use the models for a team, but a single person can set it up

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

#88

Any word on price? I can't find it at https://ai.google.dev/pricing

Agreed - tried some sample prompts on our data and the rough vibe check is that flash is now as good as the old pro. If they keep pricing the same, this would be really promising.

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

#89

This naming is confusing... Anyway, I'm glad that this Google release is actually available right away! I pay for Gemini Advanced and I see "Gemini Flash 2.0" as an option in the model selector. I've been going through Advent of Code this year, and testing each problem with each model (GPT-4o, o1, o1 Pro, Claude Sonnet, Opus, Gemini Pro 1.5). Gemini has done decent, but is probably the weakest of the bunch. It failed…

> For the more Java proficient, can someone explain why it may have provided this code:

To me that reads like it was trying to accomplish something like

    int[] current;
    while((current = queue.pop()) != null) {

Re: Gemini 2.0: our new AI model for the agentic era

#90
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i don’t think they need to win the on device market. we need to separate inference and training - the real winners are those who have the training compute. you can always have other companies help with inference

At what point does the on device stuff eat into their market share though? As on device gets better, who will pay for cloud compute? Other than enterprise use. I’m not saying on device will ever truly compete at quality, but I believe it’ll be good enough that most people don’t care to pay for cloud services.

You're still focused about inference :)

inference basically does not matter, it is a commodity

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