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Car sales in the US go down every year and have since the 90s, were past peak car. They need to find a new market.
I'm not seeing that trend in this data: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TOTALSA ...maybe you are meaning something more specific?
GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house
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Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house
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There is no proof that tesla can make FSD work with the level of safety they would need for a robitaxi service. Especially with camera only. If they do pull that off, or are able pivot to a fused sensor architecture then I do think their hardware potential will make them a good competitor.
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Waymo's strategy traded "do robotaxi early" in exchange for big penalties in cost-per-car (LIDAR) and cost-per-city (requirement for millimeter mapping). Yes it gets them early service in a small number of cities, but it dramatically kneecaps their ability to scale to the entire planet.
If by "kneecap" you mean it lets them scale appropriately as their systems and processes are able to handle the increased scope, then yes. Because the alternative is self-driving cars inexplicably speeding into stationary objects, killing everyone inside. 5 people have died from that in just the past month.
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And when you go to Tesla for a test drive, they first thing they do is shove it into auto-cruise or whatever they call it whether you want to or not! At least that is what happened to me when I test drove one 10 years ago. Maybe they don't do that anymore.
Wow that must have been a wild experience 10 years ago! Today, I think they should do this. It is rare I need to touch the wheel or pedal these days and people should experience it.
Self driving probably works great on Interstates with numbers like 5, 10, and the feeders. Based on my experiences with subaru self driving and watching videos and watching tesla drivers around here, a self driving car would give up after maybe 3 minutes. There were more teslas and other expensive "self-driving" style cars a couple years ago, but now i rarely see them. I wonder why?
I can consistently get my wife's subaru self driving to swerve into another lane without warning, without jerking the wheel, with very minor control inputs. Subaru keeps updating the firmware, but they haven't fixed the suicide merge!
Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house
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there's a significantly lower volume of taxis sold than personal cars sold, and if taxis got bigger in the way the self driving utopians foresaw, it would significantly cut into their personal car sales.
If taxis got bigger it would cut into personal sales, yes, but it creates a new revenue stream whereby they take a cut of every ride. The price anchor in that new revenue stream traditionally accounts for the cost of having a human driver, which a self-driving car doesn't need, so they would likely be off to a really good start in terms of profitability. Especially considering they have already paid for a significant…
Re: GM exits robotaxi market, will bring Cruise operations in house
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is no proof that tesla can make FSD work with the level of safety they would need for a robitaxi service. Especially with camera only. If they do pull that off, or are able pivot to a fused sensor architecture then I do think their hardware potential will make them a good competitor.
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L2 driving record vs L4 driving record are insanely different. You can't fall asleep in an L2 car without risking death. You can fall asleep in an L4 car.
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So stupid. If something has proved to be possible then you as number 2 can hire people from 1 to replicate it. China is built on this principle.
Probably China will always outpay Cruise so you see migration from Waymo to Chinese companies, but not to cruise
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It makes you wonder how much more effective U.S. auto makers might be without the regulation that requires them to sell through dealerships.
Isn't Tesla service worse than the dealerships? Maybe things have changed, my opinion is completely based on what I've read on the Internet.