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Re: Handwriting but not typewriting leads to widespread connectivity in brain

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Post by Etheryte »

amai wrote: post #73

In the age of AGI why is handwriting recognition still so bad and not a mainstream technology? Why do I still have to painstakingly write math formulas in LaTeX instead of just writing them by hand? Why don't we write computer code by hand instead of typing it in and struggling with encodings? We have face/object recognition and audio recognition which is often better than humans. But handwriting recognition is still…

I think the base premise of this comment is wrong? Apple has had many features like this available for a long time and it's hard to think of many things that are more mainstream technology. You can input text, equations and what have you with the Apple Pencil, you can scan your handwritten notes to text in Notes, etc, it's all already there.

Re: Handwriting but not typewriting leads to widespread connectivity in brain

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Post by squigz »

amai wrote: post #73

In the age of AGI why is handwriting recognition still so bad and not a mainstream technology? Why do I still have to painstakingly write math formulas in LaTeX instead of just writing them by hand? Why don't we write computer code by hand instead of typing it in and struggling with encodings? We have face/object recognition and audio recognition which is often better than humans. But handwriting recognition is still…

Write code... by hand?

This is surely not a serious suggestion, right?

Re: Handwriting but not typewriting leads to widespread connectivity in brain

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Post by DougN7 »

NRHuntoon wrote: post #76
Loughla wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any advice for helping a child who is left handed and sucks at penmanship? My youngest is left handed, and his writing is just trash. I have no idea how to help him outside of specific left handed writing tools (that I'm pretty sure don't help at all).

I'm left handed and had terrible penmanship as a child and all through undergrad. A few things have really helped me. 1. Get pens that write with low friction. As a lefty you're 'pushing' the pen instead of pulling it, and tools with higher friction cause the pen to tilt up in your hand. I found writing with gel pens, a nice fountain pen, or now I use 0.2/0.25 inking pens as my main 'daily driver'. 2. Focus on a few…

I don’t know if it helps, but Tūl brand pens in the US are gel pens like you mention. I’ve never had a favorite pen, but I do since a friend introduced these to me.

Re: Handwriting but not typewriting leads to widespread connectivity in brain

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Post by [deleted] »

Loughla wrote: post #71
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #62

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> So no only were typists not touch typing, they couldn't see what they were typing. This is how I feel as a left hander while writing the old fashioned way. I can’t see what I’m writing so I get sloppy really quickly, and always need paper with lines. Not that this makes their methodology not totally bunk, of course.

Do you have any advice for helping a child who is left handed and sucks at penmanship? My youngest is left handed, and his writing is just trash. I have no idea how to help him outside of specific left handed writing tools (that I'm pretty sure don't help at all).

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Re: Handwriting but not typewriting leads to widespread connectivity in brain

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Post by [deleted] »

SoftTalker wrote: post #77
Loughla wrote: post #71

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Do you have any advice for helping a child who is left handed and sucks at penmanship? My youngest is left handed, and his writing is just trash. I have no idea how to help him outside of specific left handed writing tools (that I'm pretty sure don't help at all).

Learn to write upside down, then turn the paper upside down and write from right to left.

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Re: Handwriting but not typewriting leads to widespread connectivity in brain

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Post by cortesoft »

amai wrote: post #73

In the age of AGI why is handwriting recognition still so bad and not a mainstream technology? Why do I still have to painstakingly write math formulas in LaTeX instead of just writing them by hand? Why don't we write computer code by hand instead of typing it in and struggling with encodings? We have face/object recognition and audio recognition which is often better than humans. But handwriting recognition is still…

Oh my god writing code by hand would be awful. I can type so much faster than I can write, and my hand doesn't start to hurt after a few words like it does when I write. Plus, how would code completion work with handwriting?

I hate handwriting with a passion

Re: Handwriting but not typewriting leads to widespread connectivity in brain

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Post by xenospn »

Loughla wrote: post #71
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So no only were typists not touch typing, they couldn't see what they were typing. This is how I feel as a left hander while writing the old fashioned way. I can’t see what I’m writing so I get sloppy really quickly, and always need paper with lines. Not that this makes their methodology not totally bunk, of course.

Do you have any advice for helping a child who is left handed and sucks at penmanship? My youngest is left handed, and his writing is just trash. I have no idea how to help him outside of specific left handed writing tools (that I'm pretty sure don't help at all).

I’m left handed, and my handwriting writing goes from really nice to shit when I use different pens. My advice is experiment with different types. I love BiC pens, they feel super smooth.

Also, growing up in Israel, where we write right to left, I don’t recall any of my right-handed friends having issues with handwriting.

Re: Handwriting but not typewriting leads to widespread connectivity in brain

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Post by lloda »

SoftTalker wrote: post #77
Loughla wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any advice for helping a child who is left handed and sucks at penmanship? My youngest is left handed, and his writing is just trash. I have no idea how to help him outside of specific left handed writing tools (that I'm pretty sure don't help at all).

Learn to write upside down, then turn the paper upside down and write from right to left.

I've seen left handed people tilt the paper 90° and write more or less downwards. Their writing looked fine.

Re: Handwriting but not typewriting leads to widespread connectivity in brain

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Post by loup-vaillant »

Loughla wrote: post #71
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So no only were typists not touch typing, they couldn't see what they were typing. This is how I feel as a left hander while writing the old fashioned way. I can’t see what I’m writing so I get sloppy really quickly, and always need paper with lines. Not that this makes their methodology not totally bunk, of course.

Do you have any advice for helping a child who is left handed and sucks at penmanship? My youngest is left handed, and his writing is just trash. I have no idea how to help him outside of specific left handed writing tools (that I'm pretty sure don't help at all).

My SO is left handed, and here’s her trick: slant the paper.

If you write with the same positioning we teach to right handers, the hand hides the writing, and if you use a fountain pen you just smear the writing before it has a chance to dry. So don’t: slant the paper, like 45 degrees counter clockwise, and position your hand above the line you’re writing. Somewhat. I’m not the leftie, I’m working from memory here.

The key idea is to keep the text visible, and keep the writing position relatively comfortable. Then it’s just down to training. Target a specific style, draw individual letters… write stuff while concentrating on the writing, not whatever you need the writing for (you can’t really practice and take notes for instance).

Mostly boring advice, that apart from slanting the paper probably applies to everyone. (Note: I also have terrible hand writing, grain of salt and all that.)

Re: Handwriting but not typewriting leads to widespread connectivity in brain

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Post by neom »

Forge36 wrote: post #58
ryanjshaw wrote: post #51

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Not disagreeing with your points here in this context, but it's interesting to note that I learned touch typing on a typewriter in school and I know which letters I've missed when typing, and can happily copy pages of text without needing to see the screen - even to correct any errors.

I wonder if that's lost with this paper's method of typing. I learned on a Mac. The course material was copying from a book without looking at the screen, then correcting the errors. This second pass to correct mistakes is different, and it's not clear that you can be removed when taking notes without affecting learning.

I generally don't look at a screen when I'm typing, I know how to touch type perfectly, I learned to type using mavis beacon in the 90s and you'd get a very low grade in computers if you couldn't touch type.
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