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Who can claim Aristotle?

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Re: Who can claim Aristotle?

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Very nice, I hadn't read that either.. > wrapped their candidates in the flag Captain Helvetica? Who shall captain Finningia? Let me know what orientation you think MAC is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42345337 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42175664 ( Mutual Adoption Club )

MACs really remind me of my hobbyhorse of constructing a "felt of society" (an irregular interwoven structure is fairly isotropic) instead of a "fabric of society" (a regular structure produces cleavage axes along which it's easily torn). Unfortunately marketing (of both the economic and the political kinds) aims squarely at the latter. (also, the english phrase "kith and kin", which I've heard Bay Area denizens inte…

On fairly isotropic irregularity:

(Well then, Joseph As Sabra technicality resolved itself, it seems)

Chris Isham[0] in his 地獄楽 chapter only (the first one), hinted at the geometric applications of locales, which, I've heard elsewhere, quantales are one noncommutative generalization of. Not familiar? Nothing in Tanya's brother's slides indicate any connection, however, so I'll have to peer at his student's..

[0] https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/Modern+Differential+Geometry+f...

Irreversible (& hence useful) quantum XOR-gate? I love microcosms (gradschool, insurance industry) where something so banal as [rethinking] accounting [principles from scratch] has macrocosmic implications.

How can we incentivize the CoMartha to care about the mandalas instead? [Or introduce fairly bluecollar isotropic irregularities into accounting.] Not marketing, what then? Good faith nondeterministic obsession inducers, tearing a microblackhole at the origin of the Bartle Chart?

More TK on what "the sword" refers to in the context of weird/hypernormal/healthy/unhealthy/imbecile: I have something more than just vibes, but needs cleaning up..

Placeholder for when I find that Science article: https://www.jstor.org/stable/25054007

I'd've assumed the Finn was expressing his inner Shu: https://youtu.be/J3_sovfY2uA

>在三星堆遗址中发现的乐器除了玉石磬可以肯定为乐器之外,铜铃、似锣铜挂饰等是否是乐器还需要更多的研究

https://m.fx361.cc/news/2009/0703/5821451.html

>有的学者认为:艺术本身起源于巫术,因为艺术旨在施行某种巫术来招引部落赖以维生的动物

Re: Who can claim Aristotle?

#82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MACs really remind me of my hobbyhorse of constructing a "felt of society" (an irregular interwoven structure is fairly isotropic) instead of a "fabric of society" (a regular structure produces cleavage axes along which it's easily torn). Unfortunately marketing (of both the economic and the political kinds) aims squarely at the latter. (also, the english phrase "kith and kin", which I've heard Bay Area denizens inte…

On fairly isotropic irregularity: (Well then, Joseph As Sabra technicality resolved itself, it seems) Chris Isham[0] in his 地獄楽 chapter only (the first one), hinted at the geometric applications of locales, which, I've heard elsewhere, quantales are one noncommutative generalization of. Not familiar? Nothing in Tanya's brother's slides indicate any connection, however, so I'll have to peer at his student's.. [0] http…

The Lord Tensens gave me a new referent for what I normally think of as a mountain range: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tian_Shan Vegetative cloning sounds almost like a shout-out to the The Island of Dr Moreau (1896)?

I'm aware of the other applications, but as I got to quantales by discovering what other people called the structure I'd gotten to via forcing distribution on informatics-friendly semantics*, rather than from another application, I'm still pretty ignorant of their wider use. In particular, my quantales are unital but not idempotent (but insofar as the pattern fragment also gives rise to a Heyting algebra, maybe I should learn more?) so that's why I haven't poked around with locales much. Maybe I should reread slides 18+ of https://people.maths.ox.ac.uk/~hap/tancl07/tancl07-abramsky....

* I want sequences (Hehner's "strings") to be noncommutative monoids, and alternatives (Hehner's "bunches") to be commutative monoids, and for them to distribute (in particular countably infinitely wrt to the Kleene star): AB* == A⊗∑B^i == ∑A⊗B^i (i running from 0,..ω)

Re: Who can claim Aristotle?

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MACs really remind me of my hobbyhorse of constructing a "felt of society" (an irregular interwoven structure is fairly isotropic) instead of a "fabric of society" (a regular structure produces cleavage axes along which it's easily torn). Unfortunately marketing (of both the economic and the political kinds) aims squarely at the latter. (also, the english phrase "kith and kin", which I've heard Bay Area denizens inte…

On fairly isotropic irregularity: (Well then, Joseph As Sabra technicality resolved itself, it seems) Chris Isham[0] in his 地獄楽 chapter only (the first one), hinted at the geometric applications of locales, which, I've heard elsewhere, quantales are one noncommutative generalization of. Not familiar? Nothing in Tanya's brother's slides indicate any connection, however, so I'll have to peer at his student's.. [0] http…

My views on the intersection of (chart overlap on the manifold between) the Tao of Jigokuraku and the Action of Hamilton (as filtered through the syllabus taught according to the Fédération Française d’Escrime):

- a swordsman's Dao/chi/posture is an open in phase space. (in particular, the traditional location of the dantien is suspiciously coincident with the centre of gravity[0])

- a duel is a system tensoring the chi of both participants.

- 戦場ではラグランジュ力学はその場で調達する

which together imply:

- the greater the chi, the higher the entropy, the more possible futures

- one should not look for eigenvectors of the participants alone, but the eigenvectors of their symmetric and antisymmetric combinations. in particular, one attempts to rotate in phase space so that one's control vector is greater than one's opponent's over distance/ma/{whatever this is in chinese}.

- "waves" in the Dao are phase evolutions in phase space. Mei says "strong, strong: no way — Tao: strong, weak" because (absent superhuman energy sources and musculoskeletal constraints) strong motions are necessarily low frequency and hence low entropy, while weak motions give access to the high frequency, high entropy[1] domain.

There's also an impedance notion in play, as mentioned in Jigokuraku: if you are too "strong"[2] you won't sense (« le sentiment du fer »[3,4]) your opponent's techniques, only their sword (and definitely not their spirit!). It takes dialing down far towards "weak"[5] to ascertain their spirit[6].

Around eps 9-10 of the anime, the humans in Jigokuraku begin to read the Tensen's Dao, but I think even earlier there's an occasion where Sagiri realises a Tensen is reading hers, and so (as I mentioned to you I've used profitably) she dials down her spirit, her intentions, so her Dao cannot betray her: no intent, no tells, no betrayal.

Similarly, the FFE teaches that you[7] should be surprised by your own attacks, finding yourself in media res with them already launched...

[0] when I was playing kid's football, they always told me to look at an opponent's belt buckle for the same reason: it's easy to throw fakes with arms and legs, but faking with the dantien is hideously energetically expensive.

[1] I was never a seriously competitive fencer, for whom pistol grips are de rigueur, so I tried to learn the french grip, and when it works it's beautiful because you can do things with the hand that you can't with a pistol grip. (this is partly a defense against time: you can have very satisfying bouts with older people by forgoing use of the legs, turning it into a contest of hand vs hand, where they remain very strong)

[2] I believe the former 3-dan All-Japan Champion's problem, in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HPDAFqN74A , at 8-dan is exactly this: he is used to winning by overpowering the opponent, whereas at 8-dan the examiners want to see that you can shape the match: deliberately allowing, not opportunistically forcing, your opponent to make mistakes.

[3] consider also the notion of having a "round heart": too strong, and your heart is very ellipsoidal... (which ties in with controlling the system variables in phase space, not just your own)

[4] sentiment du fer is very interesting, because 24 frames per second fool the eye, and the ear doesn't notice 22+ kHz, but touch has way better temporal resolution

[5] like a good tango lead, a good epeeist should be feline: not snappy but stalking. Bonaparte is quoted as recommending: "while your opponent is making a mistake — don't interrupt them!"

[6] a former olympian once told me he believes that it's after people are on the piste (all in white and masked) that you see their character — instead of perceiving mostly what they portray, when standing around in street clothes. (the TV audience has a very different opinion; does inability of, or disinterest in, perceiving Dao correlate with them being on a couch, watching the bouts?)

[7] compare "me" and "not-me" from Island!

Re: Who can claim Aristotle?

#84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On fairly isotropic irregularity: (Well then, Joseph As Sabra technicality resolved itself, it seems) Chris Isham[0] in his 地獄楽 chapter only (the first one), hinted at the geometric applications of locales, which, I've heard elsewhere, quantales are one noncommutative generalization of. Not familiar? Nothing in Tanya's brother's slides indicate any connection, however, so I'll have to peer at his student's.. [0] http…

My views on the intersection of (chart overlap on the manifold between) the Tao of Jigokuraku and the Action of Hamilton (as filtered through the syllabus taught according to the Fédération Française d’Escrime): - a swordsman's Dao/chi/posture is an open in phase space. (in particular, the traditional location of the dantien is suspiciously coincident with the centre of gravity[0]) - a duel is a system tensoring the…

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42387107

Re: Who can claim Aristotle?

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My views on the intersection of (chart overlap on the manifold between) the Tao of Jigokuraku and the Action of Hamilton (as filtered through the syllabus taught according to the Fédération Française d’Escrime): - a swordsman's Dao/chi/posture is an open in phase space. (in particular, the traditional location of the dantien is suspiciously coincident with the centre of gravity[0]) - a duel is a system tensoring the…

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42387107

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Re: Who can claim Aristotle?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On fairly isotropic irregularity: (Well then, Joseph As Sabra technicality resolved itself, it seems) Chris Isham[0] in his 地獄楽 chapter only (the first one), hinted at the geometric applications of locales, which, I've heard elsewhere, quantales are one noncommutative generalization of. Not familiar? Nothing in Tanya's brother's slides indicate any connection, however, so I'll have to peer at his student's.. [0] http…

My views on the intersection of (chart overlap on the manifold between) the Tao of Jigokuraku and the Action of Hamilton (as filtered through the syllabus taught according to the Fédération Française d’Escrime): - a swordsman's Dao/chi/posture is an open in phase space. (in particular, the traditional location of the dantien is suspiciously coincident with the centre of gravity[0]) - a duel is a system tensoring the…

[7] You can tell me Heinlein wrote island and I could believe it but I perhaps shouldnt

[-1,4] imagine, as a machine, your opponent knowing (suspecting?) you can watch him from behind (or from inside his mind, more realistically/usefully, but from behind could be terrifying)

[-4, maybe -3] tech debt is not entropy, but sophistication?

Re: Who can claim Aristotle?

#87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My views on the intersection of (chart overlap on the manifold between) the Tao of Jigokuraku and the Action of Hamilton (as filtered through the syllabus taught according to the Fédération Française d’Escrime): - a swordsman's Dao/chi/posture is an open in phase space. (in particular, the traditional location of the dantien is suspiciously coincident with the centre of gravity[0]) - a duel is a system tensoring the…

[7] You can tell me Heinlein wrote island and I could believe it but I perhaps shouldnt [-1,4] imagine, as a machine, your opponent knowing (suspecting?) you can watch him from behind (or from inside his mind, more realistically/usefully, but from behind could be terrifying) [-4, maybe -3] tech debt is not entropy, but sophistication?

Huxley and Heinlein were born only 13 years apart, so now, over a century later, maybe we can lump them into, if not the same generation, at least the same Zeitgeist.

Somewhere I'd read about a fighting-game AI which had access to all of the human player data (so not the spirit, but knowing the joystick inputs would be a good proxy for "pwn the technique") and was unbeatable, so the programmers nerfed it by giving it only a noisy representation of the human player's avatar's outputs, at which point it returned to satisfyingly mortal.

Doesn't 三体 touch upon (sophons/wallfacers) a watch-from-inside/behind opponent?

Tech debt as sophistication would explain its sign flip over time! It also gives a metaphor perhaps better than "paying off tech debt": it's good if a program is a bit witty, but bad when it starts smelling of the lamp?

> "In the long run, every program becomes rococo, and then rubble." —AJP

EDIT: Re: [-1,4] Just as implication allows only 3 possibilities out of 4, my wife likes to say (see also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42329631 ) that when riding, there should be 2 bodies but 3 minds: what you know, what the horse knows you know, and what you know the horse knows. The rider should have an accurate model of the horse's attention and intentions, but not the other way around. (in particular, you might be very worried about an emergency situation, but the horse should never realise this) I believe this habit helped her with her fencing, because there also we are attempting to hide some aspects of our attention and intentions from someone who is very closely monitoring our posture, in order to discern them.

EDIT2: just as a prelude to a comment on distance: napoleonic sabre cavalry was terrified of an opponent coming up from behind left (strong to their weak) — that's why all the dashing portraits with jackets/cloaks "jauntily" thrown over the left shoulder; ultimately the fashion was very practical, both for defence and for impressing the ladies. Lermontov's karakul nabadi is a particular instance.

  Налетели ветры злые.
  Да с восточной стороны
  И сорвали тёмну шапку
  Ой да с моей буйной головы.
Lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urjAwPfFPqU

Re: Who can claim Aristotle?

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[7] You can tell me Heinlein wrote island and I could believe it but I perhaps shouldnt [-1,4] imagine, as a machine, your opponent knowing (suspecting?) you can watch him from behind (or from inside his mind, more realistically/usefully, but from behind could be terrifying) [-4, maybe -3] tech debt is not entropy, but sophistication?

Huxley and Heinlein were born only 13 years apart, so now, over a century later, maybe we can lump them into, if not the same generation, at least the same Zeitgeist. Somewhere I'd read about a fighting-game AI which had access to all of the human player data (so not the spirit, but knowing the joystick inputs would be a good proxy for "pwn the technique") and was unbeatable, so the programmers nerfed it by giving it…

The setup of opposing forces leads one to think in terms of entropy ("the fog of war", the manifold of possible mistakes, etc etc)..

Then there's that story about the break even point between French and Mamluks iirc? (And what was the break even point between LGA and the Coalition?)

Somewhere in between we might characterize tech debt; rococo doesn't turn to rubble overnight, & most of it is still around.

Or maybe there are some relatively cheap ways to mitigate tech debt. Always backpropagating debugs to spec, for instance. So we could kick the (meta)grokking/turning point down the road

https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/nassim-taleb-scien...

>There's no built-in payoff for complexity (or for making things complex). "In academia," though, he says, "there is".

[Make sure your phonebooth expands at around the rate that the range of your (melee) weapons/number of participants increase]

And those promised tubes are annoyingly hard to find http://wavefunction.fieldofscience.com/2015/02/derek-lowe-to...

Thankfully, Derek has somewhat identified the opponent as, not other scientists, but biology/evolution..

Re: Who can claim Aristotle?

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[7] You can tell me Heinlein wrote island and I could believe it but I perhaps shouldnt [-1,4] imagine, as a machine, your opponent knowing (suspecting?) you can watch him from behind (or from inside his mind, more realistically/usefully, but from behind could be terrifying) [-4, maybe -3] tech debt is not entropy, but sophistication?

Huxley and Heinlein were born only 13 years apart, so now, over a century later, maybe we can lump them into, if not the same generation, at least the same Zeitgeist. Somewhere I'd read about a fighting-game AI which had access to all of the human player data (so not the spirit, but knowing the joystick inputs would be a good proxy for "pwn the technique") and was unbeatable, so the programmers nerfed it by giving it…

To riff on your wife's grokking, the number of effective participants increases faster than what one would usually expect: there's what you know,what you know what other academics know, and what other academics know you know

Ditto for "industry" but there the default data structure (nominally) is ____, so perhaps sophistication is monotonic (not accounting yet for immigration, oligarchal or otherwise psychopathic/imbecilic, modelled as using weapons of uncertain range)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42453789

Re: Who can claim Aristotle?

#90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huxley and Heinlein were born only 13 years apart, so now, over a century later, maybe we can lump them into, if not the same generation, at least the same Zeitgeist. Somewhere I'd read about a fighting-game AI which had access to all of the human player data (so not the spirit, but knowing the joystick inputs would be a good proxy for "pwn the technique") and was unbeatable, so the programmers nerfed it by giving it…

The setup of opposing forces leads one to think in terms of entropy ("the fog of war", the manifold of possible mistakes, etc etc).. Then there's that story about the break even point between French and Mamluks iirc? (And what was the break even point between LGA and the Coalition?) Somewhere in between we might characterize tech debt; rococo doesn't turn to rubble overnight, & most of it is still around. Or maybe th…

> There's no built-in payoff for complexity (or for making things complex).

Says the hideously (when compared to single-celled organisms) complicated h sap.

Then again, I think social darwinists ought to admit that it's the single-celled organisms who have the fitness they claim to be looking for?

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