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Niantic plans a “Large Geospatial Model” trained on Pokémon Go player data

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Re: Niantic plans a “Large Geospatial Model” trained on Pokémon Go player data

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Post by aqfamnzc »

RussianCow wrote: post #73
aqfamnzc wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Welcome to the modern internet. While you're at it, please get me access to Google's captcha models facebook face directory Google's GPS location data hoard, (most every android phone on the planet 24/7 (!) and any iPhone navigating with gmaps) And so on and so on All of which I've directly contributed to and never (directly) recieved anything in return

> All of which I've directly contributed to and never (directly) recieved anything in return To be fair, you received a service for free that you may have otherwise had to pay for. I'm not saying it's just, but to say you didn't get anything in return is disingenuous.

Agreed. I mostly meant that I'll never see the actual dataset that I contributed to. That's why I'd prefer to spend my time on things that I can see, like OpenStreetMap :)

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Post by blibble »

aydyn wrote: post #63
forgetfreeman wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're mislabeling rent-seeking as value creation. Perhaps this is the root of your misunderstanding?

Not really, you're assuming that your independent actions or forum comments have intrinsic value. They do not.

then there's no need for the AI parasites to train on them

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Post by urbandw311er »

> Today we have 10 million scanned locations around the world, and over 1 million of those are activated and available for use with our VPS service. We receive about 1 million fresh scans each week

Wait, they get a million a week but they only have a total of 10 million, ie 10 days worth? Is this a typo or am I missing something?

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Post by alwa »

jillyboel wrote: post #45
chottocharaii wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand this perspective. Why should I resent the creation of value from behaviours that I would be doing anyway.

Because the goal is to replace you with a machine and to widen the poverty gap. Also because I do not consent to it. Are you also fine with taking pictures of pretty women on the street (hey, they'd be walking there anyway) and posting them online and farming ad revenue? Or training a model on their likeness for porn?

Didn’t beloved New York Times photographer Bill Cunningham make a storied career out of doing exactly that?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/01/style/bill-cunningham-boo...

Re: Niantic plans a “Large Geospatial Model” trained on Pokémon Go player data

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Post by travisjungroth »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #40
edm0nd wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are thinking of Ingress. No idea what Inverness is. Ingress and PGO share the same portals and stuffs and its what PGO got its data from.

Inverness is a city in Scotland

Also a tiny town in Marin County, CA and one of my favorite words. It’s just so nice to say. Inverness.

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Post by urbandw311er »

ggm wrote: post #65

Not wanting to over-do it, but is there possibly an argument the data about geospatial should be in the commons and google have some obligation to put the data back into the commons? I'm not arguing to a legal basis but if it's crowdsourced, then the inputs came from ordinary people. Sure, they signed to T&Cs. Philosophically, I think knowledge, facts of the world as it is, even the constructed world, should be publi…

I’ve been saying this about Google Maps for years, especially their vast collection of public transport loading data and real time road speeds.

People are duped into thinking they’re doing some “greater good” by completing the in-app surveys and yet the data they give back is for Google’s exclusive use and, in fact, deepens their moat.

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Post by gtr32x »

urbandw311er wrote: post #83

> Today we have 10 million scanned locations around the world, and over 1 million of those are activated and available for use with our VPS service. We receive about 1 million fresh scans each week Wait, they get a million a week but they only have a total of 10 million, ie 10 days worth? Is this a typo or am I missing something?

Pretty sure there can be multiple "scans" per location is what they are saying

Re: Niantic plans a “Large Geospatial Model” trained on Pokémon Go player data

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Post by bastloing »

relyks wrote: post #20

This is pretty cool, but I feel as a pokehunter (Pokemon Go player), I have been tricked into working to contribute training data so that they can profit off my labor. How? They consistently incentivize you to scan pokestops (physical locations) through "research tasks" and give you some useful items as rewards. The effort is usually much more significant than what you get in return, so I have stopped doing it. It's…

The game is free, there has to be some way for them to profit, interesting to see this was it.

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Post by Nexxxeh »

urbandw311er wrote: post #86
ggm wrote: post #65

Not wanting to over-do it, but is there possibly an argument the data about geospatial should be in the commons and google have some obligation to put the data back into the commons? I'm not arguing to a legal basis but if it's crowdsourced, then the inputs came from ordinary people. Sure, they signed to T&Cs. Philosophically, I think knowledge, facts of the world as it is, even the constructed world, should be publi…

I’ve been saying this about Google Maps for years, especially their vast collection of public transport loading data and real time road speeds. People are duped into thinking they’re doing some “greater good” by completing the in-app surveys and yet the data they give back is for Google’s exclusive use and, in fact, deepens their moat.

It's not solely for Google's benefit. They're ("we're" tbh) contributing data that improves services that we use. It has additional selfish and altruistic benefits beyond feeding the Googly beast.

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Post by phendrenad2 »

relyks wrote: post #20

This is pretty cool, but I feel as a pokehunter (Pokemon Go player), I have been tricked into working to contribute training data so that they can profit off my labor. How? They consistently incentivize you to scan pokestops (physical locations) through "research tasks" and give you some useful items as rewards. The effort is usually much more significant than what you get in return, so I have stopped doing it. It's…

Were you really tricked? Hard to believe that someone on Hacker News saw Pokemon Go and didn't immediately think of the data collection possibilities.
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