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Re: How to setup self hosted wiki for your startup

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Post by Fabricio20 »

movedx wrote: post #32
Fabricio20 wrote: post #28

I tried to run Wiki.js in the past but it's really buggy and has a lot of spinners/loading pages for what is supposed to be simple html pages so i've been looking for a good self-hosted alternative since. I love how there are so many options in the HN comments, and some of them look really good as well, however I still struggle to believe that none of them are self-contained. All of them require a a redis container,…

MediaWiki. Is there something wrong with the solution powering Wikipedia? It’s very simple to set up, and you can one-click deploy it on DigitalOcean for $10/month.

I gave MediaWiki a shot just now but it's seriously lacking Markdown support. Seems that there's a plugin for it but that's a no-go in the docker setup, would need to make my own container because it depends on some php package that doesn't come in the default image. Really a shame the docker setup isn't made to be extensions friendly.

Re: How to setup self hosted wiki for your startup

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Post by bawolff »

maccard wrote: post #73
Groxx wrote: post #60

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I'm rather curious what you would put as worse options, because Confidence is by far the worst wiki I've ever touched. After well over 20 years of touching various wikis, professionally and out of curiosity... but they're not really a passion of mine so I suppose that isn't saying all that much. The only reason I would even remotely consider it is if I already had gigantic investment in Jira, and even then I'd strong…

> I'm rather curious what you would put as worse options, Anything that requires time or money for less than 10 people. Notion has similar problems (search sucks, performance doesn't scale), but starts costing once there's more than one person. You go from £0 to £20/mo for two people, and the chances are that at two people you're on ramen money so you don't want to be spending on... anything. Mediawiki and co require…

> Mediawiki and co require a VPS and auth/vpn/management

There are companies that offer mediawiki as a SASS app. You can self-host if you want but you by no means have to.

I'd agree that most startups probably dont want to bother with doing their own setup as they have more important things to focus on.

[Disclaimer, im a mediawiki dev]

Re: How to setup self hosted wiki for your startup

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Post by Groxx »

bawolff wrote: post #82
maccard wrote: post #73

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> I'm rather curious what you would put as worse options, Anything that requires time or money for less than 10 people. Notion has similar problems (search sucks, performance doesn't scale), but starts costing once there's more than one person. You go from £0 to £20/mo for two people, and the chances are that at two people you're on ramen money so you don't want to be spending on... anything. Mediawiki and co require…

> Mediawiki and co require a VPS and auth/vpn/management There are companies that offer mediawiki as a SASS app. You can self-host if you want but you by no means have to. I'd agree that most startups probably dont want to bother with doing their own setup as they have more important things to focus on. [Disclaimer, im a mediawiki dev]

yea, hosted-mediawiki was my immediate thought. cheap or free, basically the same kind of permissions/etc as any other.

and 100% agreed, self-hosting is usually not a good choice for a small company, and cost is basically not an issue beyond ~10+.

Notion is an interesting one. I wouldn't personally call it a wiki, but I can kinda see why some would. but the performance and cost and and etc combined with feature-lock-in that Notion has would put it pretty far down the list for me too (though probably still well above confluence), and possibly completely rule it out (which confluence avoids).

Re: How to setup self hosted wiki for your startup

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Post by maccard »

bawolff wrote: post #82
maccard wrote: post #73

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> I'm rather curious what you would put as worse options, Anything that requires time or money for less than 10 people. Notion has similar problems (search sucks, performance doesn't scale), but starts costing once there's more than one person. You go from £0 to £20/mo for two people, and the chances are that at two people you're on ramen money so you don't want to be spending on... anything. Mediawiki and co require…

> Mediawiki and co require a VPS and auth/vpn/management There are companies that offer mediawiki as a SASS app. You can self-host if you want but you by no means have to. I'd agree that most startups probably dont want to bother with doing their own setup as they have more important things to focus on. [Disclaimer, im a mediawiki dev]

Those hosted media wikis aren’t free though. That’s the big difference. Spending $60/year on media wiki hosting is an avoidable expense and confluence costs nothing until you have 10 people.

I’m not saying it’s 100% of startups, but unless you have a good reason not to, I think confluence is the right choice.

Re: How to setup self hosted wiki for your startup

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Post by bawolff »

maccard wrote: post #84
bawolff wrote: post #82

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> Mediawiki and co require a VPS and auth/vpn/management There are companies that offer mediawiki as a SASS app. You can self-host if you want but you by no means have to. I'd agree that most startups probably dont want to bother with doing their own setup as they have more important things to focus on. [Disclaimer, im a mediawiki dev]

Those hosted media wikis aren’t free though. That’s the big difference. Spending $60/year on media wiki hosting is an avoidable expense and confluence costs nothing until you have 10 people. I’m not saying it’s 100% of startups, but unless you have a good reason not to, I think confluence is the right choice.

Do you really need a wiki if you have less than 10 people?

Re: How to setup self hosted wiki for your startup

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Post by movedx »

snozolli wrote: post #59
movedx wrote: post #34

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I agree. MediaWiki is a solid solution and is very easy to setup. You can one-click deploy on DigitalOcean for $10/month and just enable daily snapshots. You can even use a managed DB if you want.

You can one-click deploy on DigitalOcean for $10/month Am I the only person left who simply has a web server? Untar Mediawiki, edit a few config variables, run an established database script, and off you go. Maybe I'm wildly out of touch, but I don't see why everything has to be a container or a monthly paid service around here. I get it for something like an email server, where misconfiguration could lead to your se…

Actually I’m on your side there. I have three servers in the garage on a 250mbit private fibre link… that I never use. I want to get my backside in gear and get the ProxMox cluster running a bit of web infrastructure and then forward to it on the Mikrotik that terminates the fibre.

The only reason I recommended DO is it’s just simple and not too expensive. But your point is fair.

Re: How to setup self hosted wiki for your startup

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Post by jjmarr »

bawolff wrote: post #69
jjmarr wrote: post #52

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MediaWiki doesn't have full WYSIWYG. The Visual Editor is nice, but doesn't support templates.

What do you mean by this? You can use templates when editing pages with mediawiki's visual editor.

You're right. I was going to tell you about what a nightmare infoboxes are, but my experience is clearly out of date. I guess I'm used to a large public failure killing a project. I'm extremely impressed by the experience now and I shouldn't have commented without looking into it more.
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