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Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

#81

I'm an engineering manager at a Fortune 500 company. The dumbest engineer on our team left for Netflix. He got a pay raise too. Our engineers are fucking morons. And this guy was the dumbest of the bunch. If you think Netflix hires top tier talent, you don't know Netflix.

Curb your enthusiasm had a good segment of episodes that were a parody on Netflix and how they shifted hiring from merit to other criteria.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

#82
post #6

I love how I can come to HN to instantly find out if it’s Netflix or my WiFi.

Wifi wifi or wifi as in your ISP Internet connection? Sp many people now call an Internet connection "wifi".

Anyway, network cable is the only way to go!

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

#83
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On a few forum sites I'm on, people are just giving up. Looking forward to the post-mortem on how they weren't ready for this (with just a tiny bit of schadenfreude because they've interviewed and rejected me twice).

The post-mortem will be interesting indeed.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

#84

I'm an engineering manager at a Fortune 500 company. The dumbest engineer on our team left for Netflix. He got a pay raise too. Our engineers are fucking morons. And this guy was the dumbest of the bunch. If you think Netflix hires top tier talent, you don't know Netflix.

I can +1 with a similar anecdote. They obviously have some really good engineers, but many low-tier ones as well. No idea how long they stay there, though. I'm watching the fight now and have experienced the buffering issues. Bit embarrassing for a company that fundamentally only does a single thing, which is this. Also, yeah, 900k TC and whatnot but irl you get this. Mediocre.

livestream is quite different from streaming pre-processed video, so I'm not surprised by the scaling issues

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

#85

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I don't spend much time streaming, but I got a glimpse of the Amazon Prime catalog yesterday, and was surprised at how many titles on the front page were movies I'd actually watch. Reminded me of Netflix a dozen years ago.

> Reminded me of Netflix a dozen years ago. It's been pretty rough the last few years. So many great films and series, not to mention kids programming, removed to make way for mediocre NeTfLiX oRiGiNaLs and Bollywood trash.

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Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

#86
post #43

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I think they have to refund the fees for a month to anyone who streamed this fight. That's the only thing that seems fair. It has been pretty useless. At the moment seems to be working only when running in non-live mode several minutes behind. So if there are 1 million trying to stream it, that means they would lose $15 million. So.. they might only give a partial refund. But people should push for an automatic refun…

Is it really that big a deal if you are watching a few minutes behind? I've watched ball games on streaming networks where I can also hear a local radio broadcast, and the stream is always delayed compared to the radio, sometimes by quite a lot. But you'd never know it if you were just watching the stream.

>Is it really that big a deal if you are watching a few minutes behind?

i don't bet on sports. but from friends who do: yes, it's a really really big deal.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

#87

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So the issue is that Netflix gets its performance from colocating caches of movies in ISP datacenters, and a live broadcast doesn't work with that. It's not just about the sheer numbers of viewers, it's that a live model totally undermines their entire infrastructure advantage. See: https://openconnect.netflix.com/en/

I wonder how effective it would be to cache live events with a delay. Write to the tail, read from the head.

that’s totally unacceptable for live sports which people are able to bet on

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't spend much time streaming, but I got a glimpse of the Amazon Prime catalog yesterday, and was surprised at how many titles on the front page were movies I'd actually watch. Reminded me of Netflix a dozen years ago.

Prime Video has to be the worst of all major streaming services. The video quality is horrible, its crippled with ads (3 not skippable ads for an episode of 45 minutes, lastly), and a lot of interesting titles are behind a "partner paywall".

I have prime and my shopping experience is crippled with ads too.

I think it got worse for sellers recently too. If I search for something, like a specific item using its description, sometimes the only result for it shows "sponsored".

It used to show up as sponsored and also unsponsored below.

If this changed, I assume it is bad for the seller. Either they pay for all search results, or their metrics are skewed because all searches were helped by "sponsorship" (and there are no longer unsponsored hits)

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

#89
post #8

I wonder if there will be any long term reputational repercussions for Netflix because of this. Amongst SWEs, Netflix is known for hiring the best people and their streaming service normally seems very solid. Other streaming services have definitely caught up a bit and are much more reliable then in the early days, but my impression still has always been that Netflix is a step above the rest technically. This sure do…

So the issue is that Netflix gets its performance from colocating caches of movies in ISP datacenters, and a live broadcast doesn't work with that. It's not just about the sheer numbers of viewers, it's that a live model totally undermines their entire infrastructure advantage. See: https://openconnect.netflix.com/en/

That model still works for streaming. You have a central source stream only to the distributed edge locations, then have clients only stream from their local edge location. Even if one region is overwhelmed, the rest can still work. Load on the central source is bounded.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

#90
post #61

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Correct, this is not Netflix’ regular cup of tea, and it’s a very different problem to solve. They can probably use their edge caches, but it’s challenging.

How YouTube does this? Netflix is like drop in the ocean when compared to.

Not sure how Netflix does it. But this is not very time sensitive, and I would have delayed the stream by 15 to 30 seconds to cache it and then deliver to everyone.
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