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When muscles work out, they help neurons to grow, a new study shows

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Re: When muscles work out, they help neurons to grow, a new study shows

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Maybe get yourself a couple kettlebells and do some kb swings at home? You can build a lot of baseline strength with a kb or two. Even just doing 100 single arm swings per day is enough at the beginning, and it takes no more than 15 minutes or so. Set yourself a goal of doing it consistently for a while and I'm sure you'll feel pretty confident walking into a gym again after 45 or 100 days. Rogue is actually doing a…

Kettlebells are half that price at Walmart. They work just as well.

Oh for sure, I just am very happy with my Rogue equipment and am wiling to spend a little more for it. It's easy to get damaged equipment in the mail with something so heavy, and Rogue is good about reshipping things. I've never purchased anything from Walmart (I live in NYC, we don't really have them), so I'm not sure what they're like.

But yeah, get whatever works for you to start training!

Re: When muscles work out, they help neurons to grow, a new study shows

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There is no negative effect to doing so, why would you not?

There's all kinds of potential negative effects. 1. It generally comes at non-zero financial expense. 2. I might not know what I'm doing. 3. I might get hurt. 4. I might cause someone else to get hurt. Or, perhaps most-tortuously: 5. They're all going to laugh at me.

> 5. They're all going to laugh at me.

I thought this, and nothing could be further from the truth. The gym (and gymbros) have been one of the most positive uplifting experiences of my life so far. I had a BMI of over 35 when I stepped into a gym for the first time ever at 41 years old.

The non-zero financial expense is really the only issue I can see as "real" on your list. You can avoid #3 by spending money on a personal trainer to learn. Gym memberships are also not cheap. The long-term costs of not doing so I would argue are far greater.

Re: When muscles work out, they help neurons to grow, a new study shows

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Clarification since a number of the comments are reading this as "strength training makes your brain stronger". This study looked at _motor_ neurons, not neurons in your brain. Motor neurons are the neurons between your spinal cord and muscle cells, responsible for transferring the signal from your brain to contract/relax your muscles. I think it was already known that working out muscles increases the innervation (t…

I have a unique related problem. My left leg calf muscle is almost an inch smaller than my right calf muscle. I just noticed it this year. Felt so weird. Why would there be imbalance in calf muscle growth to such an extreme degree. Then I tried to do a single leg calf raise on the left leg and couldn't do it. I still can't do it after 6-7 months. I must admit I am not training the left calf muscle at all, just the usual running and some sporadic squats.

This could have something to do with motor neurons not firing or something I don't know. I went to a physical therapist who suggested some calf and toe stretches and it seemed ridiculous to me. Like why would I exercise a muscle or a bunch of bones that is not functioning as expected, wouldn't that exacerbate the problem ? He didn't give a convincing answer but this paper makes me think he was spot on.

Isolating and exercising the calf muscles could probably help fire those neurons I don't know.I should do some more study on this. It's not debilitating now but I don't know what will be the impact on my balance 20-30 years from now. I am 47.

Re: When muscles work out, they help neurons to grow, a new study shows

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Two things that will improve mental clarity and sleep. Not drinking alcohol and strength training.

I agree with this, however, the best sleep of my life was when I was doing Ashtanga yoga regular. It's very physical, but I think it also takes care of a lot of muscle tension - notably in the shoulders, hips, and hamstrings - that are an often unnoticed cause of sleep issues. Not only did I sleep better while doing Ashtanga, I felt better with less sleep. It was amazing. It's something I've struggled incorporating i…

Agreed. When I was practicing 5-6 times per week my sleep was a lot better. Unfortunately my yoga school closed during the pandemic and I started training Muay Thai in my neighborhood. Sometimes I'm so tired from training it's actually difficult to sleep. With only doing asana practice I can sleep 7 hours and be fine, with Muay Thai I need 8-9 hours to recover.

Re: When muscles work out, they help neurons to grow, a new study shows

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Everyone who starts working out notice this. Very fast gains in strength and resistance the first weeks due to neuronal signals improvement. And then a slow down where muscle gains take over.

This frustrates me because I see this said often, but I have never experienced it myself. It makes me feel like I am doing something wrong that somehow everyone else is doing right.

Re: When muscles work out, they help neurons to grow, a new study shows

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A brisk one our walk or hill climb of a few lifts of a 10-15lb weight weight set does wonders for reducing anxiety, stopping stiffness and soreness, getting the brain thinking. The whole body is a thinking system with nerves and muscles that need feedback to work as well.

How much of it is just reduced CO2 from being in the open air vs sitting in a stuffy office?

More the deep breathing triggered by a hill climb or brisk walk than the actual atmosphere.

Re: When muscles work out, they help neurons to grow, a new study shows

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There is no negative effect to doing so, why would you not?

Time, and it may be desirable to avoid things you find uncomfortable.

The time commitment is vastly over stated.

It takes an hour at most and you can go twice a week, working different muscle groups. Your muscles need 3-4 days of rest especially as you increase intensity.

So you can only do bicep workouts once a week for example. Even then, any exercise is better than none.

You can even just start at home with adjustable dumbbells and go to the gym when you hit those limits..

Re: When muscles work out, they help neurons to grow, a new study shows

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's all kinds of potential negative effects. 1. It generally comes at non-zero financial expense. 2. I might not know what I'm doing. 3. I might get hurt. 4. I might cause someone else to get hurt. Or, perhaps most-tortuously: 5. They're all going to laugh at me.

> 5. They're all going to laugh at me. I thought this, and nothing could be further from the truth. The gym (and gymbros) have been one of the most positive uplifting experiences of my life so far. I had a BMI of over 35 when I stepped into a gym for the first time ever at 41 years old. The non-zero financial expense is really the only issue I can see as "real" on your list. You can avoid #3 by spending money on a pe…

I didn't say "they're all going to laugh at me because I'm fat". I intentionally left the reason unspecified, but fat-shaming wasn't even on my list of considerations.

To be more specific: They're going to laugh at me because I have no idea WTF I'm doing. I have no idea what my own (or anyone else's) expectations are in a gym. I don't know what anything does, how to use it, or even what it may be called. I don't what cultural norms, unwritten rules, or written rules may exist in that environment.

I don't even know when to go, when not to go, what to wear, what not to wear, or et cetera. All I really know is that gyms are things that exist -- and that those who do go to gyms all seem to have the broad assumption that everyone was born with the specific knowledge needed to go to the gym, and that it is all implicitly obvious to anyone who is breathing.

But it is not implicitly obvious at all, to me, except for step 1: I am going to fuck this up.

And then: Yes, they're all going to laugh at me. (That's step 2.)

Step 3 is: Fuck it, I'm done. (I can get right to step 3 without even bothering with steps 1 or 2.)

AFAIK, absolutely zero of my friends "hit the gym" (or ever have) so it's not like I can ask for local guidance from someone who I know and trust.

It's daunting just to think about, much less consider actually doing.

Re: When muscles work out, they help neurons to grow, a new study shows

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> 5. They're all going to laugh at me. I thought this, and nothing could be further from the truth. The gym (and gymbros) have been one of the most positive uplifting experiences of my life so far. I had a BMI of over 35 when I stepped into a gym for the first time ever at 41 years old. The non-zero financial expense is really the only issue I can see as "real" on your list. You can avoid #3 by spending money on a pe…

I didn't say "they're all going to laugh at me because I'm fat ". I intentionally left the reason unspecified, but fat-shaming wasn't even on my list of considerations. To be more specific: They're going to laugh at me because I have no idea WTF I'm doing. I have no idea what my own (or anyone else's) expectations are in a gym. I don't know what anything does, how to use it, or even what it may be called. I don't wha…

> To be more specific: They're going to laugh at me because I have no idea WTF I'm doing.

This was my exact fear as well. I included BMI in my reply to illustrate I had never stepped foot in a gym before but perhaps that was a mistake to focus on.

In fact I could have written your entire post nearly verbatim 2 years ago. Even down to the "what do I wear" question. I was terrified for all the reasons you list, and am in general quite socially anxious from the get-go. Especially in totally alien environments to me. I spent months selecting gym wear and a bag prior to first stepping foot in one.

> and that those who do go to gyms all seem to have the broad assumption that everyone was born with the specific knowledge needed to go to the gym, and that it is all implicitly obvious to anyone who is breathing.

This is an assumption I held as well, but is simply outright wrong. The folks who are hardcore gymgoers love nothing more than helping newbies out, and they don't make these assumptions in my experience. They have a hard time not coming over and helping you out with proper form if they see you doing something that might injure you. They don't do so because they are afraid of making you uncomfortable. If anything, they get excited to see someone putting in the consistent work - they know how hard it is to do so, and love to see people attempting to improve their lives since they generally know how positive it is in theirs. There are assholes in all demographics, but they are rare in my experience.

My first trip to the gym with a personal trainer was highly specific: I want to be taught like a 5 year old on the easy machines so I can use them without feeling like an idiot on my own. This lasted a few sessions and definitely was a totally new experience for my trainer. She obviously felt a bit uncomfortable doing it since it was so far off-script for her.

Over time I graduated to feeling a lot more comfortable, but those first few months were really difficult for the reasons you describe. I felt like an outsider and a complete idiot since I barely had a clue. At some point I just surrendered to looking like a moron.

I am very lucky I have a wife who is very socially capable and was in the gym a lot beforehand. I was able to use her to setup that first training appointment and explain how out of the ordinary I wanted it to go. Otherwise though, I did it on my own with said professional help once a week.

I honestly wish you were close to me (maybe you are?) because I'd love to bring you to my gym and take you around - tell my trainer there is another one of me who needs the same treatment! It was life changing to me and I wish I had figured out a way to do it sooner in my life.

I still feel awkward as hell in the gym. I do half my routine "wrong" and still feel self conscious about it. But I'm slowly getting better, and I slowly realize literally no one cares.

If I can work up the courage, anyone I ask is quite happy to show me proper form/give advice vs. judgement. I'm sure a few do judge, but they thankfully keep it to themselves. I also continued to work with a trainer and developed a nice rapport where she can laugh at me in a good way while we correct my fuckups with a sense of humor about it all. She's basically become a family friend at this point.

Even with all that said, I now look forward to my training sessions. Less so my solo trips, but I feel amazing afterwards. Both physically, and the sense of accomplishment. So many of my "feeling like shit" days have been cleared up, and I now have a little bit of self confidence in my strength as well.

Re: When muscles work out, they help neurons to grow, a new study shows

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Everyone who starts working out notice this. Very fast gains in strength and resistance the first weeks due to neuronal signals improvement. And then a slow down where muscle gains take over.

This frustrates me because I see this said often, but I have never experienced it myself. It makes me feel like I am doing something wrong that somehow everyone else is doing right.

fwiw it took me a few months to see any gains myself. The key for me was consistency and showing up on a regular schedule. Twice a week for me, with a third day thrown in if I could manage it. But those two days I chose were absolutely non-optional and I held myself to it. Took about 60-90 days before I noticed any sort of improvement.
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