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Re: Kagi Translate

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Post by ruszki »

wut42 wrote: post #79
kunwon1 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had tons of issues with these Cloudflare checkboxes. I finally figured out it was because I use this extension [1] that disables HTML5 autoplay. I assume Cloudflare is doing some kind of thing where they verify that the client can playback media, as they assume that headless browsers or crawlers won't have that capability [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/disable-autop...

which is hilarious because I bypass all cloudflare turnstiles with 20 lines of python and 2captcha API. It only defeats users.

These mainly exist to push responsibility to somebody else. Proper functionality is secondary.

Re: Kagi Translate

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Post by hedora »

freediver wrote: post #76
ryanisnan wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do not need your own browser. Keep Firefox alive.

I beg to differ. The web does not need more ad-supported browsers. Orion is built for the users and paid for by the users. It stands against all that is wrong with the web today - advertisers and third parties tracking at every step - perhaps like Firefox used to do 15-20 years ago. We need more of Orion today, and more than ever.

Thank you for making Firefox plugins available for iOS.

I pay for search, but not Orion. I assume you see that much of my paid Kagi search traffic comes from Orion, and put money into appropriate buckets.

Re: Kagi Translate

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Post by Aachen »

o11c wrote: post #78
Aachen wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean? Does any other translator have such a separate field that you could point to, or could you explain what you're missing? When I want to give DeepL context, I just write it in the translation field (also, because it's exceptionally bad at single word translations, I do it even if the word should be unambiguous), so not type in "Katze" but "die Katze schnurrt" (the cat purrs). Is that the kind of thing…

Of pre-LLM major online translators, Bing is the only one I've noticed that has a dropdown that offers standard/casual/formal, and produces multiple outputs if it detects masculine/feminine differences. For LLM-based translators, it usually works if you add relevant details in parentheses.

Ooh, that sort! DeepL has a formality setting also, but outputting multiple options sounds great and isn't something I've seen (I've used Bing Translator before, maybe I forgot or maybe this language didn't support it)

Re: Kagi Translate

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Post by Falimonda »

exi1up wrote: post #46

I could be missing something, but is there some sort of metric for these comparisons to other software? Like the BLEU score which I've seen in studies relating to comparing LLMs to Google Translate. I find it difficult to believe it is better than DeepL in a vacuum.

+1

I'm also interested in the benchmarks they've use, if any.

Re: Kagi Translate

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Post by HeatrayEnjoyer »

Aachen wrote: post #22

I can't use it because I'm not classified as "human" by a computer. There is no captcha that I could get wrong, just a checkbox that probably uses a black box model to classify me automatically Was curious after the post claimed that the quality is better than Google and DeepL, but the current top comment showed translations from Afrikaans that it got wrong but I could understand as a Dutch person who doesn't even sp…

Interactive captchas are one foot in the grave. With multi-modal tool-using AI models proliferating, challenge tasks that only a human can complete are vanishing. Current challenges exclude users with minor physical or mental impairments even now.

Anti-bot filters will require a different signal to determine if a physical human actually made the request.

Re: Kagi Translate

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Post by kmonsen »

ohmahjong wrote: post #7

Disclaimer: I am already a Kagi customer. At least for Afrikaans I'm not impressed here. There are some inaccuracies, like "varktone" becoming "pork rinds" instead of "pig toes" and also some censorship ("jou ma se poes" does NOT mean "play with my cat"!). Comparing directly against Google Translate, Google nails everything I threw at it. I didn't see any option to provide feedback, suggested translations, etc, but I…

This is kind of natural for a new service, one of the advantages the big players have is a giant test corpus. For less mainstream languages and terms it will be more noticeable.

Re: Kagi Translate

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Post by [deleted] »

freediver wrote: post #50
erinnh wrote: post #40

Kagi develops lots of features, but they seem to often be quarter-baked. Maps for example is basically unusable and has been for a while. (at least in Germany) Trying to search for an address often leads Kagi maps to go to a different random address. Still love the search, but Id love for Kagi to concentrate on one thing at a time.

We are focusing most our resources on search (which I hope you can agree, we are doing a pretty good job at). And it turns out search is not enough and you need other things - like maps (or a browser, because some browsers will not let you change search engine and our paid users can not use the service). Both are also incredibly hard to do right. If it appears quarter-baked (and I am first to say that we can and will…

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Re: Kagi Translate

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Post by marginalia_nu »

ziddoap wrote: post #39
Aachen wrote: post #22

I can't use it because I'm not classified as "human" by a computer. There is no captcha that I could get wrong, just a checkbox that probably uses a black box model to classify me automatically Was curious after the post claimed that the quality is better than Google and DeepL, but the current top comment showed translations from Afrikaans that it got wrong but I could understand as a Dutch person who doesn't even sp…

> What do I do with this "Error Code: 600010"? Cloudfare, the gatekeeper of the internet, strikes again. The usual suspects are VPN or proxy, javascript, cookies, etc. https://developers.cloudflare.com/turnstile/troubleshooting/... Unfortunately, even with the error code, I doubt the above page will help much.

Cloudflare is more or less a necessity if you offer any sort of computationally expensive service for free. They're problematic for sure, but I think they're a lesser evil in the grand scheme of things.

Very much a symptom of a much larger problem however, one with not a lot of good solutions.

Re: Kagi Translate

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Post by lurking_swe »

freediver wrote: post #50
erinnh wrote: post #40

Kagi develops lots of features, but they seem to often be quarter-baked. Maps for example is basically unusable and has been for a while. (at least in Germany) Trying to search for an address often leads Kagi maps to go to a different random address. Still love the search, but Id love for Kagi to concentrate on one thing at a time.

We are focusing most our resources on search (which I hope you can agree, we are doing a pretty good job at). And it turns out search is not enough and you need other things - like maps (or a browser, because some browsers will not let you change search engine and our paid users can not use the service). Both are also incredibly hard to do right. If it appears quarter-baked (and I am first to say that we can and will…

love the plan, but i’d suggest being more up front with users on how “finished” a product is.

With the maps example, you run into problems because of expectations. If you slap a BETA or ALPHA logo on the maps product, expectations will be lower, and people are more forgiving of issues while you continue improving the product. Or if it’s only good in the US (just an example), make it clear somehow when searching for addresses outside the US.

Just my 2 cents as a paying Kagi customer.

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