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Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by tharkun__ »

gndk wrote: post #79
tharkun__ wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just stock holdings. Any investments. Except for your primary residence, if you sell it before leaving. So e.g. you're not safe just because you didn't own stock and instead created a real estate investment empire :) If you keep your primary residence and rent it out for example (presumably because you do want to come back and retire in Canada?), then capital gains will accrue from the date you leave Canada. Fict…

> If you aren't prepared to sell your business though and you want to hold onto it, why would the government be inclined to believe that you really want to leave and never come back so to speak? No idea. And for a corporation (GmbH) in Germany, it would actually be trivial to track and control this, since the ownership transfer is only possible through a notary public and only becomes legal fact after its published i…

I'm not sure we understood the same thing there, given you said "no idea".

My point is that it's very understandable that the government doesn't just trust that you'll pay your departure tax at some future later point, once you've been able to sell your business, in say like 5 years from now, or maybe 7 or like never ;)

I'm not trying to argue that everything is rosy. Just trying to see both sides so to speak. In a non-ideal world. Where not everyone is like you, who'd actually pay his taxes as soon as they were able to sell but they just really really want to leave like now.

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by protimewaster »

throw310822 wrote: post #31
mschuster91 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You need to let crazy people do crazy things (within the law of course). Yeah, like stripping away LGBT rights or abortion? The far-right, no matter if we are talking about the US, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Argentinia, Israel or the UK, has clearly stated what they want to do, and they have shown in more than enough cases (Argentinia, USA, UK) that they are willing to throw the entire nation under the bus for…

> like stripping away LGBT rights or abortion? These are ideological battles which are specular to those of the left. All these laws to extend and protect LGBT rights? Marginally useful only to a small minority (which should be already protected in its fundamental rights by the normal laws) but great to avoid talking about difficult issues: how to go against established interests to improve the economy, how to modern…

It seems strange to associate abortion as something only the left cares about. It's been a very big talking point for the right for a long time.

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by [deleted] »

gndk wrote: post #79
tharkun__ wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just stock holdings. Any investments. Except for your primary residence, if you sell it before leaving. So e.g. you're not safe just because you didn't own stock and instead created a real estate investment empire :) If you keep your primary residence and rent it out for example (presumably because you do want to come back and retire in Canada?), then capital gains will accrue from the date you leave Canada. Fict…

> If you aren't prepared to sell your business though and you want to hold onto it, why would the government be inclined to believe that you really want to leave and never come back so to speak? No idea. And for a corporation (GmbH) in Germany, it would actually be trivial to track and control this, since the ownership transfer is only possible through a notary public and only becomes legal fact after its published i…

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Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by gndk »

tharkun__ wrote: post #81
gndk wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you aren't prepared to sell your business though and you want to hold onto it, why would the government be inclined to believe that you really want to leave and never come back so to speak? No idea. And for a corporation (GmbH) in Germany, it would actually be trivial to track and control this, since the ownership transfer is only possible through a notary public and only becomes legal fact after its published i…

I'm not sure we understood the same thing there, given you said "no idea". My point is that it's very understandable that the government doesn't just trust that you'll pay your departure tax at some future later point, once you've been able to sell your business, in say like 5 years from now, or maybe 7 or like never ;) I'm not trying to argue that everything is rosy. Just trying to see both sides so to speak. In a n…

Oh, yea I misread that a bit and my "no idea" doesn't really fit there.

I agree with your point that the government generally doesn't trust me to pay at some point in the future. Blocking the ownership transfer for a corporation like I mentioned above would be one way to ensure it though.

But there's no incentive for them to do that.

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by fsckboy »

gndk wrote: post #75
ulfw wrote: post #69

Funny how this discussion is allowed but I have not been able to read anything about the US election on here

A discussion with now 8000 comments has been on the front page for most of the day: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42057647

it's not much of a discussion, it's the side that lost (which corresponds to the bulk of the HN community) not acknowledging anything unsound about their beliefs or approach or misalignment with the electorate, and instead continuing with the same talking points that lost the election. Which is fine, they can do that, that can be a heartfelt belief, but it's not a discussion that's going anyplace or illuminating anybody.

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by andsoitis »

greenavocado wrote: post #64
jalapenos wrote: post #55

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It's unbelievably bad government behaviour. Allow mass immigration, to enjoy the boost in tax revenues and GDP, while dumping all the costs and fallout on the people. Rents skyrocketed, utility bills getting more expensive, waiting twice as long for a doctor? Well that's not my problem, is it pleb? It'd be one thing if they were actively clearing the path for it to minimise impact. Preemptively clearing land and buil…

I invite anybody to show me any credible evidence the immigration has a positive Net Present Value (NPV). The purpose was the destruction of the status quo, not improved tax revenues and GDP, but rather its replacement with a compliant, desperate, and above all else, an obedient population.

Research by Cato Institute: https://www.cato.org/blog/fiscal-impact-immigration-united-s...

“To put their impact in perspective, in 2018, the average per capita fiscal contribution of first-generation immigrants was $16,207. In contrast, the average drain was $11,361, resulting in a net positive fiscal impact of $4,846 per immigrant in 2012 dollars. Multiplied by the number of immigrants present in 2018 (45.4 million), this amount results in a cumulative net fiscal impact of +$220 billion. Adjusted for inflation, that number is 1.2 percent of U.S. GDP in 2018 ($18.7 trillion in 2012 dollars) and 3.7 percent of all 2018 government spending ($6.031 trillion in 2012 dollars). The former number is roughly in line with the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development’s 2006–2018 estimates, which are 1 percent for the United States and between plus or minus 1 percent for most OECD countries”

And

”The Cato Model finds that immigrant individuals who arrive at age 25 and who are high school dropouts have a net fiscal impact of +$216,000 in net present value terms over the next 30 years, which does not include their descendants. Including the fiscal impact of those immigrants’ descendants reduces those immigrants’ net fiscal impact to +$57,000. By comparison, native-born American high school dropouts of the same age have a net fiscal impact of −$32,000 that drops to −$177,000 when their descendants are included (Table 31).”

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by ziotom78 »

tcfhgj wrote: post #70
rasmus1610 wrote: post #5

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This. Just had a longer discussion with my wife just now why this is. So many discussions in Germany revolve around ideology and not what’s best in the situation right now.

Very vague content free statement. Best is subjective, some care about human rights, some care about their children, some care about people other than themselves and others don't care and frame everything they don't care about as ideology.

I am not the OP, but comparing the following news reveals a lot of bad ideology.

https://www.politico.eu/article/nuclear-reactors-germany-inv...

https://montelnews.com/news/652d5434-12f1-459b-bec5-8c1236f3...

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by solarkraft »

What surprised me is not that it happened, but that it happened now. Since it didn’t happen years earlier, I expected the coalition to last until the next election to at least give some semblance of stability.

The FDP has always had its finger on the self destruction button in this coalition and perhaps they wanted to get some especially, ehm, daring policy through with its politically quite different partners.

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by atoav »

0x000xca0xfe wrote: post #48
probably_wrong wrote: post #25

If the future German Chancellor is here, here's my proposal for your new campaign: "We choose to build one million affordable apartments in four years, not because it's easy but because it's hard". It may not solve all of Germany's problems but at least you'll energize the construction sector, alleviate the housing crisis, learn how to finish a construction project on time and you'll have to remove some bureaucracy t…

That was essentially the slogan of the current coalition and they failed completely.

I have a deep dislike for Scholz (SPD), but this is for the biggest part the fault of Lindner/finance minister (FDP) who was an absolute disgrace and unable to make a compromise.

You can't tell me he didn't negotiate before with the other two parties about what the compromises would be. Leave it or stick with it.

Re: German coalition government collapses

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Post by atoav »

octacat wrote: post #63
probably_wrong wrote: post #25

If the future German Chancellor is here, here's my proposal for your new campaign: "We choose to build one million affordable apartments in four years, not because it's easy but because it's hard". It may not solve all of Germany's problems but at least you'll energize the construction sector, alleviate the housing crisis, learn how to finish a construction project on time and you'll have to remove some bureaucracy t…

People who already have property would not be happy because the government would spend huge money on a program they are not interested. And it could make the houses prices lower (which could be not popular for people, who already paying a loan). Would attract people who are renting though.

As a home owner in Germany: it is important to me that my fellow citizens have a place to live than whether I earn 15% more or less with rent.

Also: If there is too much pressure, my risk of even harsher messures will rise, e.g. expropriation has happened before.

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